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Trump’s violent rhetoric echoes the fascist commitment to a destructive and bloody rebirth of society
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In all fairness, I think his rhetoric has been indoctrinated into him by actual fascists he kept/keeps around him, and the Republicans (and a lot of people that are supposed to be against it) facilitate him using it. So while he's definitely a fascist, I don't think he's an ideological fascist.
And that's why, I think, it echoes instead of copies outright.
While you may doubt his genuine commitment to the ideology, the end result will be the same.
As I said to another person, it speaks to his motive. He's motivated by money, and one can't effectively fight an enemy they pretend is something else.
A fascist is a fascist, I agree, but it's best that we know what drives him.
Money is just a means to power, and that’s what fascists crave. It may be a circuitous route, but he gets there in the end.
I agree that it's self-feeding, and fascists will get to the causing of suffering in the end, but what drives that cycle is different, and how you break that cycle is different.
For Trump, it's Money at all costs. For ideological fascists, it's Power at all costs.
Respectfully disagree that it's not an ideologically held belief. But, really, it's a distinction without a difference.
Mostly agreed, except it speaks to his motive. He's not motivated by power, he's motivated by money. He'll use that money for power plays to get more money. He'd feed the homeless or kick a puppy every morning if it made him more money.
Both kinds of fascists are dangerous, but it's always best to know your enemy.
Yes, let's not call a murderer a murderer simply because it wasn't the killing part that he enjoyed...
Nah, Trump IS a fascist.
Which is exactly what I said. It was literally in the penultimate sentence.
"Echoes" is not equivalent to, "literally is". It is equivalent to "sounds like".
Yes. Very good. Because I was speaking about his rhetoric, not whether or not he's a fascist, which I already stated in the second to last sentence that he is.
Penultimate = second to last.
And I've been using that word wrong for years.
There is no such thing as an "ideological fascist." It was purely opportunistic and self-serving when Mussolini did it, and it's exactly the same now that Trump's doing it.