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Since when are the leftists right?
Takes deep breath Democratic vs Autocratic systems Dangers of Fascism(WW2) Slavery Woman (voting) rights Workers rights Racial Segregation Vietnam Abortion rights Invasion of Iraq Banking Crisis(Lack of Regulation) Pollution Ozone Layer Climate Change Infinite Growth, Resources, yada yada
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Basically every major crisis in the last 100+ years was well forseen by leftists pointing at it saying "guys this will definitely go wrong" and there were always people shouting "shut up you little sissy treehugger" at them
Yes crisis and issues objectively created by their own leftist policies, presidents wtv. I'm aware that you guys are most likely Americans and I'm not. Politics in Europe works differently and here is the kicker: every leftist politician in the US would be considered extreme right if they tried to appeal to people in Europe in the way they do in the US. Sometimes you even hear people joking about the fact that our most "extreme right" politician is more leftist than the most leftist one in the US. It may also come as as shock to you that here there isn't much distinction between leftist parties and plain communist parties - they even usually win elections on coalitions and they also own the majority of the media around here.
Essentially what we have around here is extreme left, mostly communist, governing countries while running their show on the shadows of "Hitler (the right) was bad". The end result is an Europe that is constantly massacred with immigration from Islamic countries and economies hitting the rock bottom. Most of you can't even begin to imagine the damage already done and how bad things are now. The left/communists failed Europe and this is why today they say the "extreme right" (which is actually about as right as the US left) is on the raise here.
Ok, name one European country currently governed by a “extreme left, mostly communist” party.
https://www.euronews.com/2022/01/27/how-portugal-s-odd-political-coalition-was-born
All EU generally speaking leans a lot towards left and sometimes coalitions with straight communist parties. Where do you think that taxes like this, free healthcare (albeit bad), govt. moves this this bs come from?
Okay, so you think free healthcare and stuff like raising minimum salary is communism.
I’m guessing you also think Biden is left-wing, right?
No, but there's a very thin like between useful socialism and driving countries and economies to trash and making everyone unable to sustain themselves and/or depend on govt. subsidies and all kinds of welfare benefits.
There's also the typical environmental / "green" push that boils down to ensure that people lose whatever they have (cars, houses etc.) because "its bad for the planet". Are you aware that in some countries here people are getting taxed around 500€/year because they own cars older than some year that the gov says that its bad for the environment? What do you think that will happen? People don't have old cars because they want to, they have them because they can't afford new cars. Are you aware that during the COVID times you also had multiple govts forcing people to get vaccinated (or be unable to be in public places, work etc.) and that there were new laws put in place that allow the govt to claim a property or house due to "public interest" if the owner doesn't comply with some other laws requiring to maintain a certain level of insulation in those houses? What do you think that happens here? Again people don't have good houses not because they don't want to, its because they are poor and can't afford better. Now tell me, isn't this communism?
What are you even talking about? Portugal’s economy has been great under the so-called “communist” government, and although it was far from perfect in other aspects, the economy has been the least concern from what I understood.
And what do environmental policies even have to do with communism? I don’t think Marx even knew what global warming was. Modern countries that label themselves as communists are among the least environment-friendly. Again, literally every policy backed by left-wingers = communism?
That's what the mainstream media (controlled by the govt) sells. However people never payed the amount of taxes they're paying now. Its like a 1.5% increase in salaries and a 15% increase in taxes. Let alone an housing crisis (across Europe) where people aren't unable to buy or rent anymore. https://www.euronews.com/2023/10/07/europes-housing-crisis-portugal-turkey-and-luxembourg-struggle-to-find-solutions and https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20231003-inflated-rents-high-interest-rates-and-lack-of-supply-create-european-housing-crisis and obviously there's the crazy ass inflation https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/30/business/eurozone-inflation.html
And now as I said it's about people losing their ability to own cars something that should be a basic right.
Source (translated) for you here.
We're talking about countries that enact policies that end up taking cars, houses and people's ability to own stuff. Ins' that communism, even if you sell them as "making the environment better"?
This thing with the cars its total bullshit, they're making older card that payed 50 or 100€/year in taxes to suddenly pay 500 or 700€. Let me ask you, do you even think that people should even have to pay a tax to be able to drive a car that they already bought?
And is it that different from the housing crisis and inflation in the US? To me it seems like a pretty universal issue.
Uh, no…? Communism was about taking stuff from the rich, not from the ones that are already poor. And so far I only saw taxes, mind linking to these alleged house seizings? I don’t know laws all across Europe, but from what I’ve seen and read this seems pretty exaggerated.
Nowadays communism in Europe is about obliterating what's left of the middle class turning everyone into poor people. After all communism is about equality, and equally poor we all shall be.
In the past years there were multiple attacks on home ownership and private property, the most notorious were the legal changed during the COVID time I told you about (no media fuzz but can be found as a law that I wont translate), the insolation issue and the last one was that about the forced rentals.
One example, forced rentals: https://www.theportugalnews.com/news/2023-04-01/forced-rental-to-go-ahead-for-vacant-homes/76271
Here is the other example: https://www.idealista.pt/en/news/legal-advice-in-portugal/2021/11/08/4731-can-portuguese-municipalities-compel-owners-to-carry-out-renovation-works-and#The+risks+of+non-compliance%C2%A0
What more proof do you need?
There's an housing crisis yes, and guess what you can't even build new houses, the govt will make it really hard or next to impossible with a shit show of required licenses, projects, inspections and taxes.
You’re literally making up the definition as you go. That’s not communism, that’s what the right wing thinks is communism.
Those links literally specify it’s for unkept houses that haven’t been occupied in the past 2 years. It even excludes Vacation homes and homes of people that can’t physically occupy them.
Doesn’t really add up that “they don’t have good houses because they’re poor”, poor people barely paid for their own house, let alone having two.
I also read you can get the renovation expenses paid by the government and pay them back with income generated by the house, that seems a helpful procedure for everyone who isn’t just a space hoarder.
Tell me if I misunderstood anything, because right now those two links definitely don’t prove that European governments are “obliterating the middle class”, unless you count neighborhood-controlling landlords as middle class.
the left has always been right.
Just as the right has never been right -- it's always been wrong.
If the right were right it would realise that the right were left.
The right should have left the left to right the wrongs, as is their right. Right?
With no right left behind!
Some factions of leftists are wrong. Unfortunately, these are the factions that have historically gained political power
The communists stacking to downvote this comment ahaha
communism is when disagree with me
Leftism ≠ communism