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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by pleasemakesense to c/world
 

Norway’s prime minister says the Israeli army’s response to the deadly Hamas attack that killed 1,400 people and saw over 230 abducted by terrorists has been disproportionate, and denounces a “catastrophic” humanitarian situation in Gaza.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Yeah...

The ultimate tragedy of the last few weeks is that the average Israeli will only be more radicalized against Palestine, while the average Palestinian will only be more radicalized against Israel. It's a perpetual cycle of anger and violence that has no end in sight, and I don't feel any hope for a better future for the region and the innocent people on either side of the conflict.

What should have happened, like yesterday, should be obvious to anyone with a brain and a heart: Hamas should free all of their hostages and turn over anybody who participated in the terrorist attack on Israeli civilians, and Israel should cease fire immediately, call all settlers back and return the Gaza borders back to what they were a month ago. Terrorism and genocide are inexcusable, and the simple fact is that both sides have the blood of the innocent on their hands, all because of the politics of greed.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There is much more Israel should be doing. Not least is allowing travel between Gaza and the West Bank.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

We are a far cry from free travel between Gaza and the West Bank.

The likelihood of that is lower now than it's ever been.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

We shouldn't be.
The only solution to the region is a Palestine that is prosperous and free. So long as people have nothing to lose, they will continue laying down their lives.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Neither Hamas nor the Israeli government want peace. They're not going to try to fix a situation neither sees as a problem.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

Like in any war of occupation: the ever more militarized government of the occupier and the ever more militarized force of the occupied are objective allies.

[–] Linkerbaan -3 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Hamas wants peace but as you can see in the west bank being nice to the israeli colonists will only get you killed and your land stolen.

Violence starts when a party isn't willing to come to peaceful agreements and in this case the israelis are the ones who keep seeking war.

[–] FlyingSquid 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Hamas wants "peace" in the form of a repressive Islamic state which is run by Sharia law. They are not friends to the Palestinian people. They are Iranian puppets.

[–] meekah 13 points 11 months ago

As Bibi himself said, supporting hamas makes sense if your goal is to prevent a palestenian state.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

[–] [email protected] -1 points 11 months ago

Also Israeli funded.

[–] Sparlock 3 points 11 months ago

Wow look at all those downvote for stating a fact. The pro-Israel crowd sure is sensitive when facts that don't agree with their propaganda are mentioned.

[–] anlumo 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hamas wants peace by eradicating Israel. I don’t think that the two can find common ground there.

[–] Linkerbaan -1 points 11 months ago

They want to eradicate the illegal occupation of their land, not the israelis themselves

Israel however seeks to eradicate the Palestinian people. This is a huge difference.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 11 months ago

Hamas wants peace

I'm going to need a source on this.

I think this would be news to most, including Hamas.

[–] Linkerbaan 0 points 11 months ago

The first thing that should have happened is the dethroning of Netanyahu. The fact the guy who let it happen is still in charge is by far the biggest cause of this.

[–] ghostdoggtv 0 points 11 months ago

Wow you must have like, really smart