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What are cis and trans alternate types of? I don't think it's "gender identity" because wouldn't that just be man, woman or nonbinary regardless of whether they're cis or trans? Cis/trans just being a qualifier?

If the answer is "I am cis" or "I am trans", what is the question?

Edit: Someone came up with the term "gender congruity" and (after looking up the definition of "congruity") I think this describes what I'm talking about perfectly.

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[–] MrShelbySan 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Please note I’m typing this as a trans man. Being “cis” or “trans” stems from someone’s gender.

Basically, do you identify as your birth gender (not sex, gender and sex are different)? If the answer is yes, you are “cis”. If the answer is no, like I my case, I was born female, I identify as a male, then you are are trans.

I hope this answers your question.

[–] Hypersapien 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I understand what they are, I'm asking if there is a name for the category of characteristic that they both belong to.

I'm not entirely sure there is a word for it. If not, maybe there should be.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I understand what they are, I'm asking if there is a name for the category of characteristic that they both belong to.

You're not getting an answer to your question because the question, as stated, is incomprehensible. You're asking for a "category of characteristic" that a pair of antonym adjectives "belong to"? That doesn't make sense. They apply to a whole host of characteristics, because they're not describing a specific characteristic, but how a characteristic relates to the whole. Just like "homo" and "hetero"; homozygous, heterogenous, homocystine, and heterophony are all words that use the "homo" or "hetero" prefix to describe how those words relate to other concepts in their category. It's the same with "cis" and "trans". The prefixes don't "belong" to a category of characteristics, they explicitly exist outside of the characteristics of the words their modifying.

That's the best I can do with the way you've chosen to phrase your question, and I admit it's a reach, but your question is gibberish.

[–] Hypersapien 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Male, female or nonbinary are a person's gender.
White, black, asian (nonexclusively) are a person's race.
Right, left are a person's handedness.
Gay, straight, bi are a person's sexual orientation.
Cis, trans are a person's ________.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We could call it "gender metadata" ;p

I'm not actually sure if there's a real term for this. If nothing else, "trans status" works but there should be a better term I think ^.^

Maybe "genderdivergence"?

[–] Hypersapien 1 points 1 year ago

I think it would have to be "Gender " rather than a single word.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Cis and trans don’t really describe a person in the same way as the others. They describe a relationship between characteristics, which none of the other descriptors you list do. You could argue, almost correctly, that cis and trans are part of a person’s gender, but neither one of them is a person’s anything.

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[–] BassaForte 3 points 1 year ago

Gender modality

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"gender identity" might fit. "Identity" taken literally, to mean if the birth sex/gender and the actual expressed gender are identical.

Edit: or "gender divergence" if you want to focus on the difference instead of the sameness.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Hypersapien 2 points 1 year ago

I talked about that in the original post.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Gender prefixes?

Cis and trans are like homo and hetero - they are a part of the English language.

You can have homogenized milk; you can have trans fats.

You can also have homosexual, transgender, cisgender and heterosexual animals.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

"Relationships between gender identity and birth sex."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There is no such category. Being cisgender or being transgender describes the relationship between 2 variables. The first being your assigned gender. The second being your gender identity. Cisgender means there is an equivalence of those 2 variables. Transgender means there is not an equivalence of those 2 variables.

The reason we use the term trans which means roughly "other side" to describe this is because you cannot know you are transgender at birth. Your gender identity is assumed to be cisgender, it is assumed to be the same as the gender you are assigned. So when you reveal your gender identity to in fact be something different you are moving to another side of gender. At least in literal usage of the terms cis and trans.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm a little confused as to why you'd say there's no such category.

Maybe "correspondence between" would be a better term?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Cisgender means that at birth your doctor said "this baby is H gender" and you now currently say "I am H gender".

Transgender means that at birth your doctor said "this baby is H gender" and you now currently say "I am not H gender".

The terms refer to the relationship between the gender the doctor assigned you at birth and what your actual gender is.

[–] GaryPonderosa 5 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Shouldn't it be that you identify with your birth sex? If gender is a social construct you don't have a gender at birth. When the doctor says "It's a boy" they're referring to the genitalia you have, not assigning you a social position.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (17 children)

You might not believe in the social construct at birth, but the social construct believes in you. Children are treated differently based on assigned gender from birth.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (17 children)

No, gender is a social construct and the doctor is assigning a gender to you when you are born based on what he sees as your genital configuration. This is then used to determine nearly everything about you through the social framework of gender.

What colors you're allowed to like, what games you can play, what names you can have, what words are acceptable to refer to you with, who you're allowed to be friends with, what foods your supposed to like, what clothes you're allowed to wear, how people should speak to you, how people should praise you, how people should scold you, whether or not misogyny should be applied to you, and so on and so forth.

Those things are determined based on the gender you are assigned at birth. Those things are enforced across all society at all social levels and in all settings. Parents are the first people to enforce gender onto their children, intentionally or not. Then every single other adult and child they meet or interact with throughout their childhood will continue to enforce gender upon them until they themselves become adults and repeat the cycle with their own kids. Media perpetuates gender, government laws enforce gender, education systems are filled with people who systematically enforce gender upon children.

Thats what we mean when we say gender is a social construct. And you're assigned one at birth.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Basically, do you identify as your birth gender (not sex, gender and sex are different)?

The additional explanation actually confused me. Let's compare the two sentences:

  • A) Basically, do you identify as your birth gender?

  • B) Basically, do you identify as your birth sex?

I assume biological sex can be identified by looking at your body as a new born baby, and gender is usually inferred accordingly. So I would assume new borns are being assigned a gender which mathes their biology, although they probably don't have any opinions themselves on the topic.

Anyways, what's the difference between A and B? I feel you felt it was important to point it out, and I just can't see any.

[–] Falmarri 1 points 1 year ago

I assume biological sex can be identified by looking at your body as a new born baby,

Usually. But the reason the person you replied to made that distinction is because your assumption doesn't hold 100% of the time