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Tesla Model X Owner Has Had Enough Of Minimalism, Adds Physical Buttons::Tesla Model X owner from China has attached a panel of physical buttons to the vehicle's main control unit for quicker access to some key functions.

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[–] logicbomb 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Programming your Tesla would mean that you upload software that your car runs. I think you can't do that, but you should be allowed to.

As it's a matter of public safety, and as part of a right to repair, all of the software that runs in cars should be open source, and should be able to be updated by the owner.

[–] ante 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This is a terrible idea. What stops me from uploading a broken piece of shit fork that puts others at risk while I'm driving?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago

The same as every other thing that puts people at risk: consequences

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The same thing that prevents you from putting in a piece of shit knockoff part that puts others at risk while you're driving?

You're desire to not die.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The law stops you. Open source just means that you can access the code and modify it. Open source does not mean that you have automatically met the legal requirements to certify that software for use on public roads. That would be an additional hurdle that any automotive software would have to pass. But, most legal systems are stone age compared to software development and any sufficiently new technology. Still, right to repair and open source does not mean that you can operate outside of regulations.

[–] PaintedSnail 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe the issue isn't one of laws, but enforcement. If a person is physically capable of modifying the code their cars runs and then operating it on a public road, then someone will, illegal or not. That is what puts the lives of others at risk. Hell, I can already imagine websites where you can download untested mods to apply to cars that people will apply with no knowledge of how it works.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You could say the same thing about literally any aftermarket modification.

[–] topinambour_rex 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was thinking more like scripts. You load scripts, it interprets them.

[–] logicbomb 1 points 1 year ago

A script is a type of software, so that's not really a big difference.

I don't know about Tesla specifically, but if I was making a car that was intended to be moddable like this, I would have a hardware interface of some sort, and expect the mod to call a public API. This is similar to how cell phones can connect via USB and have some functionality.

[–] IdealShrew -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you really think the average Joe has the knowledge to develop safe software for a car? Some things are okay to be proprietary imo, maybe with open documentation but not source.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You could absolutely standardize, certify, and isolate safety components

[–] IdealShrew 1 points 1 year ago

If the non-critical parts were scriptable like the infotainment system, then I could get behind it. Kind of like android I guess where you're free to tinker, but you have to enable developer mode first so regular people can't accidentally break something.