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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

They probably mean forceful as in strong, not nonviolent. Like the world needs to band up and tell Israel to cut their shit out like they did to South Africa.

[–] Riccosuave 11 points 1 year ago

^ Yes, this is exactly what I meant. Thank you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

And I remember that Mandela died until one day I flicked on the telly and found out apparently not

[–] TokenBoomer 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I can’t remember what happened in South Africa. I was young and doing a lot of drugs then. Is it possible for this to end similarly?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I mean probably yes. What ended the Apartheid was immense pressure from the international community up to and including sanctions. That's what the BSD movement aims to do, but it doesn't have much steam right now.

[–] sheogorath 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What people seem to forget is that the international sanctions started AFTER violent actions are done by anti apartheid activists in South Africa. Such violent actions happened after what? Ding ding ding, the non violent protesting which ends in the deaths of the protesters. Fun fact, did you know Nelson Mandela is designated as a terrorist until 2008? And he got elected as South Africa president in 1994. There's 14 years after he got democratically elected as a president that he's still designated as a terrorist.

I condemn what Hamas did on October 7th, even if you read about Islam, there are actually rules of engagement in Islamic teachings. But after what happened during Great March of Return which is a peaceful protest done by Palestinians that resulted in IDF snipers killing peaceful Palestinians. What the fuck do you expect is going to happen after decades of occupation and humiliation? Do you want Palestinians to be a perfect victim? To just roll over and die? Just to let the apartheid state murder them and reduce their population to be so small that you feel bad about them because they can do nothing? Like what the US or Canada did to their indigenous population?

Look, if something like this happened to you, what are you going to do? Just roll over and let some dude from Brooklyn take your home?

My family's home country is a country that got colonized by a lot of European countries, the Portuguese, the Spaniards, the Brits, even the Japanese got their turn colonizing my home country. And did you know what happened after we proclaimed our independence? Our colonizers came back and invaded us saying what we did is "illegal" and forced us to a bloody war of 4 years that cost more than 100,000 lives. If that kind of thing happened today, I bet you a billion dollars that the people who fought for their independence will be labeled as a terrorist.

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[–] TokenBoomer 2 points 1 year ago
[–] Riccosuave 3 points 1 year ago

Here's a really great refresher on that exact topic from @Tony that I thought was really good if you're interested.

https://lemmy.stad.social/comment/124165

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Ah, I see. Thanks.