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Highlights: A study this summer found that using a single gas stove burner on high can raise levels of cancer-causing benzene above what’s been observed from secondhand smoke.

A new investigation by NPR and the Climate Investigations Center found that the gas industry tried to downplay the health risks of gas stoves for decades, turning to many of the same public-relations tactics the tobacco industry used to cover up the risks of smoking. Gas utilities even hired some of the same PR firms and scientists that Big Tobacco did.

Earlier this year, an investigation from DeSmog showed that the industry understood the hazards of gas appliances as far back as the 1970s and concealed what they knew from the public.

It’s a strategy that goes back as far back as 1972, according to the most recent investigation. That year, the gas industry got advice from Richard Darrow, who helped manufacture controversy around the health effects of smoking as the lead for tobacco accounts at the public relations firm Hill + Knowlton. At an American Gas Association conference, Darrow told utilities they needed to respond to claims that gas appliances were polluting homes and shape the narrative around the issue before critics got the chance. Scientists were starting to discover that exposure to nitrogen dioxide—a pollutant emitted by gas stoves—was linked to respiratory illnesses. So Darrow advised utilities to “mount the massive, consistent, long-range public relations programs necessary to cope with the problems.”

These studies didn’t just confuse the public, but also the federal government. When the Environmental Protection Agency assessed the health effects of nitrogen dioxide pollution in 1982, its review included five studies finding no evidence of problems—four of which were funded by the gas industry, the Climate Investigations Center recently uncovered.

Karen Harbert, the American Gas Association’s CEO, acknowledged that the gas industry has “collaborated” with researchers to “inform and educate regulators about the safety of gas cooking appliances.” Harbert claimed that the available science “does not provide sufficient or consistent evidence demonstrating chronic health hazards from natural gas ranges”—a line that should sound familiar by now.

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[–] TokenBoomer 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Marx figured it out 160 years ago. Spend some time and learn about it. Did the Wright brothers have to fly in a plane before they built one?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Marxist ideas just don't seem to work in practice. You have to have a revolution that is authoritarian to force the change, and then the people in power never give it up willingly. Almost no one ever does.

But even if you did an ideal Marxist transformation, you have the huge economic problem of figuring out what to produce and where to distribute it. This is an impossible task for a committee to manage at a national scale. Capitalism outsources figuring that out to every transaction. Even when a company gets it wrong, it's limited to that company or sector. But in planned economies when they get it wrong, it's the entire economy. It's all great depressions and no minor corrections.

Whats worse is you lose a lot of choices - at best a good hearted technocrat is telling you what to make and what you will get. At worse you get famines because of mistakes in prediction.

[–] TokenBoomer 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This has all been debunked. Particularly, Second Thought has a great video on planned economies if you are interested. Cybersyn in Chile would have worked if capitalism and the CIA hadn’t planned a coup.

Edit: Cuba is still going strong after 60 years despite sanctions and embargoes. To say Marxism/ socialism doesn’t work is a bit superficial and certainly not true.

[–] NaughtyKatsuragi -2 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] TokenBoomer 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ergo decedo. Why don’t you learn why that’s a bad argument?

[–] NaughtyKatsuragi 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If that place is a pinnacle of the ideaology you purport, then maybe leaving for that place is a natural progression of thought.

If you dont want to live there, but rather in your current country but you want it to mimic the desired country, that makes no sense. You have one available, and one that seems nigh immpossible, which one makes more sense to achieve?

[–] TokenBoomer 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It makes perfect sense if you like the policies of another country. By that logic, 8 billion people would be living in Finland because it was ranked the happiest place on Earth. There’s a reason many are disillusioned with capitalism. A curious person might ask - why?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I love that you seem to think that it's just as simple as pick up and move to the country you like. As if the red carpet in all other countries was always rolled out just for you. Let me guess, American? Can anyone just pick up and move to the US? Or the EU? Heard of all the crap around 'migrants'? You don't think you'd be considered a migrant if you wanted to move to Cuba, with all the restrictions that would entail? Or do you just assume that the whole world is just dying to welcome you to settle in their countries?

[–] NaughtyKatsuragi 2 points 1 year ago

But changing to entire modus operandi of a country is just a walk in the park?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Can anyone just pick up and move to the US? Or the EU?

Are you not distinguishing wealthy developed countries from developing countries? This may sound anecdotal but I believe I’ve detected a pattern of people from privileged countries having the copious red carpets you mention, such as EU administrations & border police not hassling Americans who overstay their visa. Even within Europe eastern block Europeans face more red tape than westerners. Some passports yield many red carpets & some none.

You don’t think you’d be considered a migrant if you wanted to move to Cuba, with all the restrictions that would entail?

It’s not what you think. The restrictions in that movement actually come from the US. Cuba welcomes Americans to the point that they will even hold back on stamping a US passport on request. Considering Cuba actually has an emigration crisis (with an “e”), it’d be ironic for immigration into Cuba to be difficult.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Why don't you move to Somalia?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's pretty ignorant to act like we know it doesn't work. If you're having a race and one racer has his shoes tied together, do you really know who was fastest? Nearly every time a leftist government has been installed the US intervenes to ensure it doesn't succeed. For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1954_Guatemalan_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

The US feared a successful "communist" country, so they toppled the democracy and installed a dictatorship more aligned with US business ideals. If it's guaranteed to fail, why was the US so scared of them succeeding?

The fact of the matter is the only countries that could survive the US attempting to topple then were countries with a strong central power and cultural hegymony. Those aren't requirements to exist, they are requirements to outlast US intervention.

[–] BombOmOm 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why would non-capitalist countries need capitalist countries to do well? We have had very large non-capitalist countries, like the USSR. Can a country that size not do well if there aren't capitalist countries to help it economically? What size does a non-capitalist country need to be to not have to rely on capitalist countries?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

What?

I'm assuming you didn't read my comment. They don't need capitalist countries. They just are never given a chance by capitalist countries to even try to be successful. Capitalists are scared of the status quo changing, so they undermine any non-capitalist country. Why do they always do this, without exception, if they're so certain they'll fail regardless? Obviously it's because they know they aren't guaranteed to fail.