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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Both sides have done some super shitty things, but if you want to be objective about it, they're not balanced at all.

Still seems like a crazy own goal to issue a statement that doesn't condemn attacks on civilians, but I can understand why people feel driven to take a side, especially when virtually all the bars on the top part of that graph got effectively zero news coverage.

[–] assassin_aragorn 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's in our nature to take sides, and it's unfortunate because this is a really complicated issue. You can trace this back centuries to try and understand why everything has happened, and you'll find devils and angels in every group involved.

After Russian pogroms of Jews around the Russian Revolution time period, a prominent European Jewish thinker concluded that they would never have safety or respect unless they had their own nation. Being scapegoated and killed in Russia was just one of many instances where they were persecuted. Flash forward to the early 1900s, and you have Zionist insurgents in Mandated Palestine who want their own Jewish state, and are carrying out terrorist attacks against the British colonial authority.

We're both well aware of what Palestinians are suffering right now. I believe I just read that an Israeli airstrike killed 600 in a hospital. A few weeks ago, extremists associated with Palestine killed and kidnapped a lot of people at a concert.

Civilians just want to live in peace and freedom. They're surrounded by violence they don't remotely deserve, and that just keeps getting perpetuated. Each side kills innocent people that the other side takes as justification to kill other innocent people, and so forth.

By the numbers, Israel is worse because they've caused more casualties, I agree. But I really don't think that's important here. Significant numbers of innocent people are being killed by Hamas and also by Israel's government. Identifying both as major problems and the "bad guys", while viewing the civilians as the "good guys", is what's important I think.

Edit: Forgot to say, the problem wasn't that this guy supported Palestinians, but that they pointedly refused to condemn killing and kidnapping innocent people.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Now chart the number of attempted civilian killings and see how the picture flips.

Did you think the Israeli casualties are low because Hamas hasn't been trying to murder them?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel just massacred another 500 civilians by bombing a hospital.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you care about truth, there is strong evidence that that was a misfired rocket launch from the Palestine Islamic Jihad. The IDF has released intercepted radio comms between two Hamas members discussing it, including mention of rocket launches from a graveyard behind the hospital (which would be a war crime, of course).

It's likely that there will continue to be some uncertainty for a while over what exactly happened, but it doesn't matter much, since most people have already decided what the truth is and are reacting accordingly. Surely that doesn't include you though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh, wow I read the news and commented on it, and watched a video showing a missile clearly going full speed into a building and causing an explosion bigger than anything Hamas has ever done before.

What wild biased conclusions I'm drawing! /S

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

You have a video of a missile hitting the hospital? Genuinely, I'd love to see that.