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What is the nerf that ghosts need? (self.starcraft)
submitted 1 year ago by JTskulk to c/starcraft
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Snipe is still insane in TvZ. Ghosts counter spellcasters that don't really have a counter to ghosts, and then they also counter every other unit, especially the lategame ones. Once you get to the lategame, there's never a reason to not mass ghosts. The game says that roaches are the counter to ghosts, but has anyone ever made a roach after the 9 minute mark?

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[–] JTskulk 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you think roaches should be made in the lategame and will survive against the everything else?

[–] Clbull 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ghosts exist specifically to counter spellcasters and large biological units. Roaches are going to last a lot longer against mass snipe spam or EMP's than Ultralisks, Brood Lords, Infestors or Vipers.

[–] JTskulk 1 points 1 year ago

In my eyes, the problem is that they counter everything. I remember when infested terrans were removed from infestors because "players should not be able to always mass one unit and have it be good in every situation", I think this is the situation we're in with ghosts. Remember that I'm talking about the lategame, I'll agree that roaches are a good counter to ghost openings, but there's a reason why nobody tech switches to roaches in the lategame: they're bad units.

Zerg spellcasters don't really counter ghosts. Fungal interrupts snipe, but still does very little damage and doesn't burn the ghost's energy; it's free to try sniping again when it wears off. Emp is an instant ability so it's much easier to EMP infestors and vipers. I think EMP can actually be cast during an abduct if I'm not mistaken. Neuralling a ghost can really only be done sneakily, and then the infestor is just a scan away from death.