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Bro have you considered that starving to death is actually okay?

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Lots of cringeworthy American exceptionalism and nationalism in that thread. I especially like this one:

It doesn't, all of these countries have different definitions on what "Rights" are, most of their constitutions don't even define a right in the context of a divine power as the United States does, most countries actually believe its the government's job to assign what rights its people are allowed.

It takes an impressive amount of baseless self confidence to speak with such certainty, yet with such ignorance, not only about other countries but your own country as well.

[–] dojan 30 points 1 year ago (11 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The point he's trying—but failing—to make is to invoke the core underpinnig of American legal philosophy: that people intrinsically have rights as an aspect of their being, and that they grant their government limited authority to regulate rights in order to ensure that nobody's rights get taken away or trampled on. Though the Declaration of Independence isn't part of the Constitution, it's useful rhetoric for understanding the legal philosophy of the United States, where everything I just said is phrased as:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. —That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed [...]

He idiotically phrases this as "divine power" probably because of this passage, but the actual salient point is that laws and states simply do not possess the power to grant or bestow the rights that already exist independently of them.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

But they literally define which rights those are. There is no "natural" base, it's just whichever they decided to protect (and often times even those are infringed upon)

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