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[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The Nazis played on Germans agrievement over how they were treated post WW1 to gain support, Gaza only ended up on the situation it is now because surrounding countries kept attacking Isreal over the last 70 years and lost land to them, then Hamas/the PLO/etc have played on similar agrievements to get themselves into the leadership position and have now lead them into a war.

[–] FlyingSquid 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Are you actually claiming Israel has no culpability when it comes to the suffering of the people of Gaza?

[–] snek 2 points 1 year ago

Yes, and when you do that, no journalists will chase you to scream, "BUT DO YOU CONDEMN ISRAEL?"

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No, not no culpability, but understandable reasons for what they've had to do for their own safety over the years.

[–] FlyingSquid 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One would think not escalating situations might be better for their own safety...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems to be the escalation was Hamas invasion of their country on Saturday from where I'm sitting.

[–] FlyingSquid 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gaza is not Hamas and Hamas is not Gaza. Those children are innocent and they're nearly half the population, as the post says. When you put a huge number of innocent people under siege, and kill more of them than were killed on your side, you're escalating.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Like it or not, Hamas are the defacto leader of Gaza, voted for in 2006. You can make all sorts of arguments about what's happened after that, but if the people of Gaza have made no attempt to remove them from leadership since then this is the outcome.

[–] FlyingSquid 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How many of those children voted for Hamas in 2006? Exactly how many?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How many children voted for various governments that lead their countries to war throughout history?

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 1 year ago

I'm not sure how that justifies what is going on in Gaza. The claim was that Hamas and Gaza were interchangeable (thus justifying Israeli atrocities) because Gazans voted for Hamas in 2006. When almost half the population were, at best, toddlers in 2006.

[–] snek 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hamas are the defacto leader of Gaza, voted for in 2006. You can make all sorts of arguments about what’s happened after that, but if the people of Gaza have made no attempt to remove them from leadership since then this is the outcome.

Sure, let's blame the civilian Palestinian deaths on the Israelis that voted this current gov't into power...

Oh wait, this isn't how it works

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What? The Isrealis were moved out of Gaza before the 2006 elections.

[–] snek 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gaza only ended up on the situation it is now because surrounding countries kept attacking Isreal over the last 70 years and lost land to them, then Hamas/the PLO/etc have played on similar agrievements to get themselves into the leadership position and have now lead them into a war.

Just FYI, Gazans are refugees who were forced to the Gaza strip by.... ISRAEL! Woohoo.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 year ago

Yes, war creates refugees, always has. Maybe all those surrounding nations that went to war with Isreal should have considered that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel didn't exist there prior...

They took land (rather, were given land by western empires that wasn't there's to give) and kicked out and killed those who were there. Yeah, that's didn't create any resentment at all I'm sure and it's all the attacks that happened in response that caused it.

Someone else can always be blamed. To act like Israel doesn't share in the blame is probably one of the most ignorant statements I've heard.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Actually, we did have the right to give out that land as we won it from the Ottomans.