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[–] Izzent 43 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I prefer a rock solid public transport system, and plenty of safe walking areas and no-car zones. EVs help minimally in the grand scheme, since they are costly to produce, especially the batteries.

[–] hydro033 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yea, that only works for cities. America will still need tons of cars for everywhere that isn't a city. It's a very low density country, all things considered.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

There's large swathes of territory nearly as dense as parts of Europe with incredible public transit. Look at the density of Spain and overlay it on top of the northeast US, then compare the public transit.

[–] hydro033 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea, but the northeast, especially major cities like NYC, Boston, and Philly, does have better public transit than a lot of the US. I know it still sucks overall (and don't get me going about the costs), but a lot of the infrastructure was built during the car boom. People do like cars, and they make sense for most of America given how much sprawl we have.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Local transit of those cities is pretty good, I'd agree. But the lack of intercity transit, like high speed rail, is such a shame.

[–] mack7400 5 points 2 years ago

But then you lose your fReEdOm, and are beholden to another driver's whims! Creep to the left or right side of the lane in your traffic jam? Forget it! All you can do is read, or play a game, or gaze forlornly at the liberated masterminds as you zip past in your socialist train!

[–] Thurkeau 3 points 2 years ago

Good luck with that, though. If this is America, and I think it is, we find ways of making a good public transit system suck. I also think we need to take a hard look at how our towns and cities are desined as well, and make them to where they're optimized to be able to drive into a central location then bicycle or hoof it to whrever you wanted to go within a couple miles.

[–] ThePantser 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Which won't happen especially in car first cities. I am in Michigan, it's the home of the automobile and everything is built around it. To accommodate a good mass transit they would need to demolish large portions of the cities to install rail lines because busses are a lack luster bandage. Even with cities with great bus lines like Lansing or Ann Arbor it still can take hours for a trip across the city when a car gets you there and back in minutes. Business will also need to accommodate and give longer time off for doctors appointments. My wife rides the bus often in Lansing and if she has a appointment that is only a 10min car ride she is gone for 3 hours on the bus.

[–] Smokeless7048 6 points 2 years ago

To accommodate a good mass transit they would need to demolish large portions of the cities to install rail lines because busses are a lack luster bandage.

I mean, we did that for cars, and it only made things worse

example BEFORE and AFTER

[–] stylishboar 3 points 2 years ago

To accommodate a good mass transit they would need to demolish large portions of the cities to install rail lines

I don't think this is true, at least not initially. There are cheaper alternatives, such as BRTs (dedicated bus lanes) and updating zoning to encourage destinations to develop closer. Sure, the US is obviously mostly car-centric today, but the cynical all-or-nothing mindset is hindering cities' ability to even begin to make progress.