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[–] Smoogs 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not to detract from the idea that trucks are dangerous (they most definitely are) but I’m not sure this is the best argument for this. An asshole in a truck doesn’t mean they necessarily will drive their truck down the sidewalk like what is common with assholes on two wheels. 4 wheels will do many other dangerous things. but assholes who ride their two wheels on sidewalks going top speed even at 15 without making room for pedestrians is a valid concern.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's also primarily an issue of lacking infrastructure. Two wheeled assholes wouldn't be on the sidewalk if there was a bike lane, unless they're huge two wheeled assholes.

[–] WarlordSdocy 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

100% this, the only time I ride my ebike on the sidewalk is when there is no bike lane or separate bike path. Cause if I have to choose between riding on a 45 mph road or the sidewalk I'm gonna pick the sidewalk and just go slower when pedestrians are around.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I unapologetically ride my bike on the sidewalks because I don't want to die. I'm careful not to hit anyone and would love for protected bike lanes to be put in everywhere

[–] BeautifulMind 6 points 1 year ago

An asshole in a truck doesn’t mean they necessarily will drive their truck down the sidewalk like what is common with assholes on two wheels.

Not to defend irresponsible scooter use, but the 'but scooters are more commonly a hazard to pedestrians' argument could (and arguably should) be expanded to include trucks vs. cyclists.

I don't always have bad interactions with motorists, but when I do it's almost always some guy in a truck that feels entitled to drift over into the bike lane while I'm in it, or when there isn't a bike lane, to overtake dangerously- if I have one thing I feel threatened by when I ride my bike, it's not scooters, it's badly-behaving motorists but mostly men in trucks.

If we're going to use the 'I feel threatened by scooters when I am a pedestrian' measure to justify regulating them, what if I feel threatened by big truck drivers when I am a cyclist? Yeah this all ultimately boils down to inadequate infra so not everyone has a safe or appropriate place to be, and these are all real problems- it doesn't make sense to me to decide one of them ought not to be addressed.