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I dropped her off this morning and saw girls (and boys) wearing grass skirts, some of them with coconut bras too. I'm not sure what else is going on, but it doesn't seem very respectful of a native culture that we have seriously fucked over. Would they have a "Native American Day" and let kids come in wearing feathered headdresses?

Or am I reading too much into it?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are these elementary school kids, or highschool kids? Because I'm picturing them as elementary school kids. If they're just little kiddos, then they're learning at their level by making grass skirts and stuff. There's plenty of time to learn more serious subjects later.

You'll have no problem finding people offended by anything, if you look for them. To be fair, there are always people on both sides of the discussion for these topics.

To answer your other question, no, I don't know more about how an individual feels about a subject than that individual. But it remains the opinion of an individual. I'm Choctaw and I think having kids make little paper headbands, with a little paper feather, and learn about the tribes is perfectly fine, but there are plenty of tribesmen who have issues with that stuff. Most of the ones who have issues with it generally have issues with everything though, so take that as you will. What most of us agree on is that it's not cool for the adult to adorn themselves with a chieftain ceremonial headdress, and hop around chanting nonsense. But that's not what usually happens in elementary school, it's usually pretty innocent fun.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Middle school. They are old enough to learn about what we did to the Hawaiians.

[–] Pohl 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you think it’s weird to use the word “we” in that sentence? I was not involved, you didn’t make any of those decisions. People you don’t know did horrible shit to other people you don’t know.

There is not a we, I am responsible for my own decisions and actions. I feel completely free to look at the actions of others as despicable without any ownership of their actions. Why do people just accept that they are somehow tainted by the sins of people who came before?

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. I don't think it's weird to accept cultural responsibility. Ask any German if they think saying "we were responsible for the Holocaust" is "weird."

[–] Pohl 1 points 1 year ago

It’s an incredibly common sentiment, I am not sure it should be. It leads to more harm than good I think. You are not on a team with people who have the same skin color as you through all time. Being born in a place does not soil you with the past follies of the people that also lived there.

Should a German kid whose grandparents came to Germany from Tunisia in the 60s feel culturally responsible for the holocaust? If you say yes, you have to ask WHY. If you say no, you are probably implying a judgment about who is a REAL German and who isn’t.

The whole concept sucks.