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Richest oil states should pay climate tax, says former UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown (www.bbc.com)
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[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Since many stockholders are british, and the company has its headquarters in London, yes of course.

But my argument is also historical, where many of the oil fields in Saudi Arabia used to be operated by western oil companies. The Wahhabi fundamentalists were brought into power by the British and Americans to make the access to oil easier for them, Iran was couped by the CIA for western Oil access etc.

Blaming the countries where oil is exploited for the fossil society that was built and is maintained by western countries is cynical and hypocritical.

[โ€“] gmtom 1 points 1 year ago

But my argument is also historical, where many of the oil fields in Saudi Arabia used to be operated by western oil companies. The Wahhabi fundamentalists were brought into power by the British and Americans to make the access to oil easier for them, Iran was couped by the CIA for western Oil access etc.

Blaming the countries where oil is exploited for the fossil society that was built and is maintained by western countries is cynical and hypocritical.

And thats exactly the excuse these people will use to pass the blame, when today, right now, its those countries that are in control of it and have profited BY FAR the most from it. So I really dont think its cynical to say that the people that profit from the fossil fuel industry should pay for climate change. Really thats the message climate activists have been saying for many years. Its just Gordon Brown is pointing out who those people are.