I just realised, I can't post anything on lemmy.ml
So, I checked https://lemmy.ml/modlog, there's a new moderator.
All posts and comments talking about China, Jinping, Russia, and Putin have been deleted and users banned
this post was submitted on 25 Sep 2023
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"Tankie" is just a pejorative that anti-communists use for Marxism-leninists.
The developers of lemmy are Marxist-leninist communists.
Nothing communist about a tankie
Here, let's do a litmus test. Who is to blame for the Ukraine War? Would you decry the US if they falsely claimed to own most of the Gulf of Mexico and threatened civilian ships? If so, would you also decry China for claiming most of the South China Sea, including waters which are literally closer to other countries than to them?
Every communist is not a tankie. A tankie is someone who defends actions by Russia and China, despite decrying the same actions if the US takes it. I really don't see it as an economic thing at all, although that's certainly where the origin of the word comes from. I see it as someone who thinks everything that the US does is bad, and anything US adversaries do is good. It's a lot more geopolitical in my eyes.
Think of it this way, it's the polar opposite of a nationalist far right conservative when it comes to foreign affairs. Tankies are just one cut away from being the same.
I get that it's a convenient rhetorical technique to try to turn the conversation onto the views common among communists that you find objectionable. I don't agree that it's relevant to the conversation at hand, though.
The thread of "authoritarian" communism that's typically branded as "tankie" runs directly to Marx. I'm interested to know if you're able to find any non-marxist communist tendencies to hold up as an example.
Where are your model communists? Or are you just anti-communist?
Marxist-Leninists aren't communists. They're Stalinists. Authoritarians.
This is Bizarro world vibes based history. Read a fucking book literally any book. Stalin lead the USSR after Lenin lead the revolution founded on the principles of communism which were developed by Marx.
Marxism-leninism was first synthesized by Stalin. Stalinism isn't a thing, but Stalin was a Marxist-leninist. Stalin was a Communist. Marx was an authoritarian communist as well.
"tankie" is just a red-scare pejorative for communists.
And I'm a unicorn. You can call yourself anything you want but it doesn't make it true.
Stalinism is a thing. Just like Leninism, Maoism and Dengism are things. Each of them is just a interpretation of Marxism. They each critique, adapt and expand on the previous iterations of Marxism to fit new conditions.
I don't really agree. Stalin's thoughts can be summed up in his synthesis of Marx and Lenin. There isn't a "Stalinism" separate from Marxism-leninism, but his contribution to MLism was vital.
I also don't really agree that Dengism is a thing. It's a convenient shorthand Maoists use to describe modern China, but I don't think Deng saw his contributions as separate from SWCC.
Also also, I don't think you can fairly characterize modern Maoism as Mao's interpretation of MLism.
All of these are very pedantic, so it's very much ok if we don't agree here! 😁
lol no
"Marxist-Leninist" is enough of a self-own for us, we don't need to invent new terms to insult communists. Real communists are just sad, naive idealists, and we pity them more than anything.
Tankies are a whole separate bag of fucked up. They support Russia, which is clearly not communist. They're really just anti-USA edgelords.
No, they're tankies.
It's a description of morons that think authoritarian rule and/or genocide is ok if the people doing claim to be communists despite having no relation to the ideology. Those people aren't communists, at best they are lying to themselves.
(Yes, I get it. You're a tankie)
Was Marx a tankie?
No, he just failed to account for people. I see this is where the sealioning starts so I'm out. Have fun jerking off to another genocide with your tankie friends.
What do you mean by this?
Marx is more hard-line than Stalin.
If they're both "tankies", then I think we're clear that the term is just base red-scare anti-communism.
Edit: "sealioning is when I have to defend arguments I've repeated but don't actually understand"