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Ukraine on Saturday morning launched another missile attack on Sevastopol on the occupied Crimean Peninsula, a Russian-installed official said, a day after an attack on the headquarters of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet that left a serviceman missing and the main building smoldering.

Sevastopol was put under an air raid alert for about an hour after debris from intercepted missiles fell near a pier, Gov. Mikhail Razvozhayev wrote on the messaging app Telegram. He later added that another missile fragment fell in a park in northern Sevastopol, parts of which had to be cordoned off. Ferry traffic in the area was also halted and later resumed.

Loud blasts were also heard near Vilne in northern Crimea, followed by rising clouds of smoke, according to a pro-Ukraine Telegram news channel that reports on developments on the peninsula. Crimea, illegally annexed by Russia in 2014, has been a frequent target for Ukrainian forces since Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm suprised Ukraine hasn't targetted Russian ships in port. It can't be to hard to get real time info on a boats location but my assumption is for as damning the Russian navys long rang attacks are, the long range Ukranian strike options are limited and destroying the black sea fleat is not the best use of their stock.

It could also play to Ukraines favor if in a negosiation Ukraine commits to allowing Russia to remove its ships safely in exchange for a relitively bloodless taking of Crimea, but that would be a while away, and would rely on a Russia thats willing to negosiate, but Ukraine can always destroy the ships on a later date.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They did destroy a sub and a major landing craft in drydock, which were pretty major targets.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That felt like more like an attack on the dry dock. The sub was there for months I believe and presumably would be less of a target than a sub during a rearming. That attack could be the first of many, but to me it still signals conservatism. We'll see.

[–] freehugs 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sevastopol was out of range for Ukrainian missiles until recently. The Ukrainian army was able to move their launchers 10-20km south only thanks to the gains made during the summer offensive. The recent attacks on Russian targets in Sevastopol/Crimea are probably precisely to draw Russian deployments from the front lines.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I dont believe this is completely true. Storm shadows are launched via air craft so the gains on the southern front have little impact of cruise missile range. You are probably right that the attacks on Crimea are done in the hope that the Russians will pull out their ships.

[–] Treczoks 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’m suprised Ukraine hasn’t targetted Russian ships in port.

One reason I assume for this is that war ships are generally well protected, both by armor and their own defenses.

A flying kamikaze drone with maybe 3-5kg of explosives will not do that much damage to a steel hull unless it finds just the right spot to hit. The sea drones based on jetskies that the Ukrainians used had 150kg of explosives and an armor piercing design, IIRC.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I've hear it generalized that Russian war ships are glass cannons, but obviously that statement isn't helpful in understanding why that is. I don't know the details short of the Russians believed their best bet in a naval war with NATO was to overwhelm a war ship defenses with a high consintration of missiles and flee before being targeted, but if attacked first a Russian ship will practically detonate itself. Don't take my word for it tho.