THE POLICE PROBLEM
The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Our definition of ‘cops’ is broad, and includes prison guards, probation officers, shitty DAs and judges, etc — anyone who has the authority to fuck over people’s lives, with minimal or no oversight.
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ALLIES
• r/ACAB
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INFO
• A demonstrator's guide to understanding riot munitions
• Cops aren't supposed to be smart
• Killings by law enforcement in Canada
• Killings by law enforcement in the United Kingdom
• Killings by law enforcement in the United States
• Know your rights: Filming the police
• Three words. 70 cases. The tragic history of 'I can’t breathe' (as of 2020)
• Police aren't primarily about helping you or solving crimes.
• Police lie under oath, a lot
• Police spin: An object lesson in Copspeak
• Police unions and arbitrators keep abusive cops on the street
• Shielded from Justice: Police Brutality and Accountability in the United States
• When the police knock on your door
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ORGANIZATIONS
• NAACP
• National Police Accountability Project
• Vera: Ending Mass Incarceration
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The fuck is wrong with you?
Therapy.
You don't know anything about children. You seem to live in some kind of boogieman world where you think a 6-year-old legitimately wants to kill a ton of people, and you're comparing that to a 6-year-old who was throwing a temper tantrum. If we did live in a world like that, you would have heard of a 6-year-old shooting a place up. But you haven't, and a basic, layman's understanding of child psychology and development is why.
And nobody should have to break down the actual reality of any of these subjects for you— it's a waste of time and sanity on a person who only argues in bad faith.
A child got ahold of a gun and shot edit: someone. Children any age 2 and up get ahold of guns and shoot siblings, parents, and other kids sometimes. I don't think your question of "do we arrest them and throw them in jail like the evil little criminals they are" is the gotcha that you think it is.
Who the kid shot makes no difference to the argument.
"When a toddler kills someone in cold blood..." You live in a strange, sad, non-existent little world.
"Figure out what went wrong..." Like... figure out why a toddler is a psychopath? Once again, you live in a strange, sad, non-existent little world.
I shouldn't need to give you a crash course on the mentalities and development of young children. You should realize what's stupid about what you're saying on your own.
I'll say this though: people who believe that children should "behave" in a way that resembles adults in any capacity are the extreme majority of child abusers. Not malicious people— people who are ignorant and controlling. If you think 6-year-olds can be mass-murdering psychopaths in the way that adults can be, you are likely one of the kinds of people who would be overbearing and then eventually frustrated enough with your child to abuse them. Source: me, survivor of a whole lot of child abuse from a lot of different people, and I'm writing a novel partially about this whole subject.
A six year old is not capable of the reasoning required to understand the full weight of the consequences of their actions. At that age most children still don't understand that death is permanent.
Motivation for performing that act would likely be driven by seeing it in media or games, which is content children that age shouldn't be exposed to. Not a stellar example of parenting, though we already knew the parents weren't awesome because they kept a loaded gun where a six year old could access it. Just because they see and imitate the act doesn't mean they understand it.
To answer your original question, if a child kills someone with a firearm, you go after the adult who gave the child access to it. Same as if the adult started spinning around in circles shooting randomly and killed someone.