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"First they came for the trade unionists...."
Yes removing a blue checkmark is exactly the same as being kidnapped off the street and sent to a work camp.
before the Nazi party came to power, they would show up to rallys, protests and town squares to silence political opponents through intimidation and physical violence.
A lot of people would consider Twitter a modern day digital "Town square". i would say it's eerily similar, the main difference is that there's no physical violence just the silence.
Y'all love to larp when it comes to guns, but never hear about the community work you've done.
Do you think community work is where people go preach?
It's setting up a neighborhood pantry, showing up to community meetings, rendering aide to my unhoused brethren, helping the local maker space setup an electronics lab. None of that involves preaching.
And yes, the community work is going well. Does a lot to alleviate alienation under capitalism.
If you're planning to defend against fascism without setting up infrastructure to feed your troops then it's just a larp. Creating a sense of community is probably the best thing we can do to stem the rise of fascism.
That worked out stellar for Weimar Germany, didn't it?
Unless you know nothing of the time before Hitlers rise to power and just how bloods it was.
you live in an interesting world, either you wait until some far right threat as built it's self up and radicalized, or do exactly that, but this time try to shoot first.
the whole idea of maybe there was a bunch of stuff leading up to the Nazis threatening to shoot you that you could intercede in, stopping the whole need for shooting in the first place apparently never crossed your mind.
I don't know if you know this, but there's a big difference between how people act with anonymity and how they act in real life.
There are definitely real Nazis. They are definitely bad guys. Removing a blue checkmark is not anywhere close to the same as people being deported to concentration camps in the literal Holocaust.
Do you understand how ridiculous this sounds?
Nothing is going to happen to any striking workers. No one is "coming" for the actual trade unionists.
The thing with comparing things to the Nazis, or to similar groups, is that they did not start with the camps and warfare. It took time for them to reach the point of being powerful enough to do that and actually going through with it, so it is still possible to make comparisons to them when things aren't at that extreme, if one is comparing something to how they (or other fascists for that matter) acted before getting to that point.
Elon and the Twitter company are not anonymous? They're using their position to actively bury opinions they dislike. by removing a blue check it means less people will see union organizing efforts and messaging.
The Nazi started deporting after they came into power and again they came into power and held their power by silencing their opposition. Stop being a Corpo fasist apologist.
As if they're not openly making plans to do precisely that to to visibly queer people. Guess we don't need to worry about the Nazis because they're doing things in a slightly different order this time around, right?
This is a thread about Twitter blue check marks.
It's a thread about a far-right asshole going after unions with whatever he has at this disposal.
That’s a pretty bold allegation. Any proof or are you just slippery sloping the shit out of a blue check mark?
How about the history of the state of Florida over the last five years
We aren’t talking about Florida. This is about X.
Or who did you mean by “they”
this was answered already, but since you don't seem to get it the first 5 times, "they" refers to far right actors, such as Musk.
I was genuinely confused but now I’ve realized that I stumbled into some polarized red vs blue nonsense that I have no intention of continuing. I don’t make it a habit to group reds and blues together and collectively pin everything on the group.
Politics is a sham and arguing red vs blue is actually the problem.
Oh great, a radical centrist. Someone who thinks good is just as bad as evil, and lies are just as good as facts.
Read about Project 2025. The far is right is announcing its intentions to anyone who will listen.
Wait, we jumped from X removing a blue check mark to the far right spouting nonsense? That’s a huge leap
Have you heard the things Elon says, or seen the people he signal boosts, or heard of the people and groups he associates with? It's about as big of a leap as me getting out of bed in the morning, specifically back when I lived in a treehouse and slept on the floor.
No I haven’t. But I definitely know that no one is throwing visibly queer people in work camps in the USA.
I’ve since discovered that this is a red vs blue powered issue, which makes this discussion moot. Throwing rocks for any reason at the other color isn’t useful. I vote third party and stay out of red vs blue.
Well, if you had heard the things Elon says, seen the people he signal boosts, or heard of the people and groups he associates with, then you would understand why people are accusing him of spouting far right nonsense. It's because the things he says are frequently far right nonsense, the people he signal boosts are frequently people who spout far right nonsense, and the people and groups he associates with are frequently significant sources of far right nonsense. And I'm not a Democrat in any sense other than thinking they're not as bad for the world as Republicans are, but I can think of at least one good reason to throw rocks at "the other color," that being when they're propagating harmful far-right nonsense. I'd have thought this logic would be bulletproof, but I find myself cowed by the counterargument that "I have no idea what you're talking about but you seem mean."
Paying attention to the world around you is a great way to avoid making yourself look silly, if you're interested in stopping it from happening again.
Case in point ^
it's not really a huge leap. Musk is literally part of the group, trying to pull it off.
Elon Musk is trying to send visibly queer people to concentration camps? Is there proof of this or is this just some red vs blue nonsense?
one could take what Elon did "for" the queer people on Twitter, or one could take his comments about his child, or one could take the things his trans child said about him.
once again, this shit doesn't start with the concentration camps, that is where it ends.
and the dehumanizing, delegitimizing, vilifying, and smearing is the point we are at now.
As I told someone else already, it didn't start with concentrations camps, nor genocides, it started with efforts to delegitimize, to communally ostracize. and the man who organized it all? he didn't hate the Jews, the Sinti, the Roma, the Socialists, the "degenerates", etc... no Eichmann just didn't care, one of the greatest systematic destruction of human lives was organized by someone who just didn't care. to him, it was just a question of "this is what the current (brown) side wants"
Who is "they"?
The far right, of which Musk is a member.
What does it mean to be right wing to you?
Far right isn't the same as right wing. Right wing could be a liberal. Far right is where you start sorting people by their "worth" instead of letting people discover that for themselves.
Far right implies further to the right? How is liberalism which relies on a basic notion of individualism in the same category as ethnonationalism which relies on a basic notion of collectivism?
Far right doesn't mean more "liberalism", it means to the right of liberalism. right wing and left wing describe a spectrum within liberalism. Far right and far left are when you step outside the boundaries of liberalism. Whether that takes the form of collectivism or individualism isn't really material to whether it's outside the liberal spectrum. What is material is the belief in the democratic process and capitalism.
So the more centrist the more individualist, and the closer to the extremities the more collectivist? That's not a perspective I've heard before. But I guess what I question again is then what makes something right wing? Leftwing is usually described as vaguely Marxist- but how is a monarchist and a fascist in the same category?
The usual thing it means to people who follow politics. I'm not gonna explain basic vocabulary to you.
Which is what? Monarchist? Liberal? Fascist? Those three things are described as right-wing sometimes but are all contradictory.
Isn't the comment you are responding to a joke? That's how I read it. It's a funny one too.