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[–] over_clox 3 points 1 year ago (18 children)

They've done decoded the human DNA sequence right? Well can't they just make genetically modified women that fixes the narrow birth canal issue?

You know, like utilize our knowledge of DNA to fix known issues as such, while still encouraging natural biological processes?

Tell ya what though, if I found out I was grown in a bag in a laboratory, I'd flip the fuck out. You want more people with psychological issues, go ahead, start growing people in a lab...

[–] orclev 2 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Tell ya what though, if I found out I was grown in a bag in a laboratory, I'd flip the fuck out. You want more people with psychological issues, go ahead, start growing people in a lab...

Why? What difference does it make? I'd have no problem with that. In fact I'd think that's pretty cool. Would you freak out if you found out you were delivered via cesarian section? I'm not really seeing how this is much different.

You know, like utilize our knowledge of DNA to fix known issues as such, while still encouraging natural biological processes?

I would love to see us do that and in fact I think that's the direction we need to go if we're going to survive as a species. The big thing we need to watch out for is that we don't start developing into a monoculture. We need to maintain a certain amount of diversity or else we open ourselves up to being wiped out by a single pathogen or disaster.

Ultimately our medical knowledge is getting too good. Genetic disorders that would have been death sentences 200 years ago are just mild inconveniences now and so those genetic defects are starting to proliferate. We need to utilize genetic tech to fix those obvious problems, while also not going overboard and classifying unusual variations as defects to be fixed which would ultimately result in the monoculture problem I discussed previously.

[–] over_clox -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Have you forgotten how much school children torment other kids over not having both parents and a 'normal' family? Now imagine going to school and everyone tormenting you over being a test-tube/bag baby?

Do you really think that kid is gonna grow up without losing his/her shit somewhere along the way?

[–] TotesIllegit 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How would anybody find out? The kid would only ever really need to know at a young age (where they might out themselves without Knowing the social risks) if they had ongoing medical needs from complications resulting from it. Plus, it's an artificial womb, not cloning; the kid would still have two genetic parents who would be their actual legal guardians, unless life happened and the kid lost one or both of them, which would just mean the bullying would focus on that instead.

[–] over_clox 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds to me the process could eventually be used with frozen eggs and sperm from 50+ years ago. You're not making me any more comfortable about the future of an already overpopulated planet.

[–] TotesIllegit 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If they're viable samples, it would be probably be possible as soon as it's people can have their contemporary eggs and sperm used in a fully artificial gestation process.

I wasn't talking at all about overpopulation because it wasn't directly related to your comment about bullying. I don't think we have an overpopulation problem so much as a resource distribution problem and lack of political will among those with power to actually change our systems into something less cruel to ourselves and the planet. We produce far more than we need to in our current system for the population we have, but our resource distribution system is directed by the whims of market forces and profit instead of community need.

Plus, I tend to automatically reject the assumption we're overpopulated because bringing it up gives off an implication that it needs to be intentionally resolved, and that gets into really horrific territory really quickly.

On top of that, nobody even knows what the human carrying capacity of the planet even is; there's zero scientific consensus on total human capacity or how to even measure it. It's a non-starter for me, and I just do not think it's an issue worth worrying about, but I am deeply concerned with how quick people are to blame everything on overpopulation as the cause of shortages when we haven't really tried a different approach.

Edit: I fixed the last sentence to make sense.

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