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Thats just a shitty argument. That argument will never help anyone facing these issues in reality cause they are just fuckin'. You can try to act like most humans plan ahead, they don't. We know this is what happens, but nobody is a saint here resisting all their primal urges.
I stated nowhere that we are saints. I sure as hell am not one. I don't give a shit of people plan ahead or don't.
If you can't resist your primal urges, an freak accident happens and she gets pregnant and wants to keep it? Man the fuck up and claim it as yours. Don't make someone that is already going through a lot have to force you to acknowledge the child. And if you don't want the child step out of its life but you will still be passing child support.
You don't want to deal with all that as a possibility? Well you best damn resist those primal urges because that is a possibility.
Just let people get abortions. Nobody is addicted to them because they are fucking painful. Nobody is abusing them and using them as Plan B. Its just not happening. The only real reason to restrict them is to tell women to shut the fuck up like the bible says. So I don't really so a point. I did man up, I have 3 children, all from jus fuckin'. I'm just saying it should be an option if we are truly free, so obviously we are not.
Edit: ngl this post was necro'd by you so I didn't really read too much into what you replied. If you don't want people getting abortions don't get one yourself and that is the extent of your control over others.
"Necrod" for responding to a response to me when i haven't checked lemmy messages in 2 days so i didn't know anyone responded to me? Ffs man/woman/whatever. I just responded to the two other people that responded to me as well.
Also I'm pro choice, all about people having the choice of abortions. I never once said don't get an abortion. And if you are to lazy to read the whole response why respond? I'm just out here trying to have a semi intelligent conversation.
Then you can man up and let other people choose what they want to do.
I'm sorry did me saying man up tilt you? Or hit to close to home?
Yeah cause its dumb. Its a sweeping generalization that takes into account nothing of either party. I'm saying this as someone who chose to stay and morally agrees with you. But in reality the "man up and take the child" stance morphs into abusive parents quite often. It sucks cause you want everyone to have a fair chance and be raised like they should, but it doesn't take into account if either parent is even able to emotionally and materially provide that. Its a shit ton of work caring for and raising children.
Edit: and before you say "then they shouldn't be fukkin'," I just won't bother if that is your argument.
I never said "man up and take the child" i said man up and take responsibility. There are uncountable different issues with sticking together for the kid and some reasons why it isn't feasible to have a abortion. Sometimes the best choice for the kid is abortion, sometimes it is the father just fucks right off and sends monthly child support, and sometimes it is sticking together as a couple because you want to be together and raise a family with the kid.
What is not acceptable is fighting in court for years to disown a child that is yours and you know it but you do not want to pay because it was a fling and you don't want the responsibility. Well, to fucking bad, you fucked around now deal. All they have to do is send money once a month, sure it sucks, but to fucking bad. Man up and take responsibility.
I have friends that constantly fight to get money from their exs for child support and it's fucked up that they have to deal with that on top of being a single parent.