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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If your desire is for him to not have any life in front of him, then your goal for the prison system is neither to prevent crime nor to rehabilitate criminals. Just admit it's bloodthirstiness and execute the wrongdoers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Attempting to overthrow the government should be a life term or near enough to it.

It helps that he can't vote for the next 5 presidential elections and on release will no longer be allowed to own guns, but 22 years doesn't seem like enough.

[–] marx2k 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How long should he go in for?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A common maximum sentence in other countries is ~20 years (with exceptions for those who remain a threat to public safety after the standard period).

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/2/12/18184070/maximum-prison-sentence-cap-mass-incarceration

[–] CharlesDarwin 3 points 1 year ago

I just wonder what the rehabilitation plan is for someone like this. How do you bring a leader of a group like this back to being a normal citizen? And what will the alt right call it even if it were attempted? Liberal/Communist indoctrination?

[–] marx2k 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's pretty much in line with US stats

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_sentences.jsp

... but some people do deserve more, of course

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

17% being >20 isn't really in-line. That's 1 in 6 prisoners.

[–] marx2k 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

...and 5 in 6 being < 20

I'm not saying it's perfectly in line but it's not one everyone in prison is doing life

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

You would expect most inmates, even in a retributive system, to not have done anything worthy of a max-length sentence. That most sentences are not two decades long doesn't really mean much. You'd expect that in any system short of North Korea.

The US is way out of the norm for its prison lengths and number of people imprisoned, because people like the retributive feel of long sentences. The >20 year sentences are entirely pointless, but the sentences below that are frequently for crimes that would never warrant such a long sentence elsewhere. Norway, which has a maximum sentence of 21 years, has an average incarceration length of 8 months. In the United States, the average incarceration is 63 months (5 years).