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Those aren't socialist nations
It’s pretty damn hard to find a nation that is 100% capitalist or 100% socialist. Most places sit somewhere in the middle of the spectrum. Even super capitalist America has socialized programs and infrastructure, and super communist China has private companies.
The Nordic nations are the biggest example that we have of democratic nations that are further on the socialism end of the spectrum.
The phrase you're looking at is social liberalism, which describes a capitalist nation that has strong welfare programs and worker protections. Socialism requires as a fundamental thing eliminating or DRAMATICALLY reducing the role of capital in ownership and regulation of industry. Capitalism and socialism aren't about whether the poors are provided government funding for food or told to eat cake, they're about who gets to own and start factories etc.
Not really a coherent reply, for US politics. In our two party system, most Americans do regard many popular European policies as socialism.
The US and Europe DO have socialized things. Mass transit, roads, health care systems, retirement systems, etc.
Finding a contemporary nation that is 100% capitalist with everything 100% privatized is pretty hard to find. Ditto for modern socialism with everything 100% socialized. Most places are a combo or capitalism and socialism.
which is the way I would like it but most are socialistic enough for me. Buying tvs. yeah capitalism all the way. Getting healthcare. I don't want to be budgeting that.
Yes but this doesn't count, for reasons.
I get that, but they're wrong