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I was thinking about that when I was dropping my 6 year old off at some hobbies earlier - it's pretty much expected to have learned how to ride a bicycle before starting school, and it massively expands the area you can go to by yourself. When she went to school by bicycle she can easily make a detour via a shop to spend some pocket money before coming home, while by foot that'd be rather time consuming.

Quite a lot of friends from outside of Europe either can't ride a bicycle, or were learning it as adult after moving here, though.

edit: the high number of replies mentioning "swimming" made me realize that I had that filed as a basic skill pretty much everybody has - probably due to swimming lessons being a mandatory part of school education here.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Going by yourself under at least 13 is nonexistent in the United States.

[–] fubo 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

When I was younger than 13 on two different ends of the US (Hawaii and New England), I took the city bus or rode my bike to go to libraries, bookstores, and other things in town; walked to the neighborhood pool; and so on. This would have been in 1988-1990.

It weirds me that not only are many parents not okay with that today, but that the schools and police have complied with their anxiety. Do you really want to have to drive your kids literally everywhere?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Suburban dad here.

It’s not so much that I’m afraid of drug dealers or pedophiles, I know the statistics and it’s barely on my radar.

If my (almost) 7yo asked me if he could ride his bike or walk to a friends house, unattended, I’d probably let him…if it were on our street (1 mile long road that ends in a cul de sac) or the adjacent street (since we can cut through our neighbors yard to get there).

But beyond that? It’s literally miles to the nearest bus stop or store. Even to the nearest park or playground. And while most of that is suburban secondary streets…it’s curvey, it’s hilly, there’s no sidewalk, shoulder, or bike lane, and people drive way too fast on it (and usually setting up their podcasts or checking on their pizza delivery while they’re at it, I assume, by how erratic they are).

I’m terrified to walk on it, at nearly 40. I couldn’t consider letting him ride unattended on it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

People are deathly afraid of kidnappers and drug dealers getting to their children, when in reality crime rates are the lowest they've ever been.

[–] fubo 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

For the record, nobody ever offered me free drugs till I was in my 40s.

[–] kamenlady 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It all depends on the type of person. You'll see if somebody would possibly be inclined to use drugs and become a potential client.

People stopped asking me if i sell drugs, around the time i turned 30.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Past two decades, my husband gets these offers any time his hair grows to chin length. But, yeah, not as a kid.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I'm afraid of cars, that's it. It's a self-perpetuation circle.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

We’re in the US and my son has been walking home from school since he was six. It’s only a two mile walk. In the mornings I drive him up to half a mile from the school on my way to work. They don’t have bike racks at schools anymore it seems otherwise he’d ride his bike. On a few occasions I’ve had him walk to school also. His older brother goes to the bus and back but that’s only half a mile away. They regularly go roam the neighborhood alone or with each other.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I'm currently bringing her to that specific hobby as it's a bit further away than the area she's usually roaming around in, and she needs to cross one major road (connection to the highway) to get there - but I guess in a year or two she'll be able to do that by herself.

She sometimes gets brought to school in the morning as it's the same building her brother is in for daycare - but if she starts at a different time than him she can get there by herself, and of course she comes back by herself when it finishes. She's also not required to take the direct way home - or could even decide to go home with friends, as long as she calls us if she's coming unexpectedly late.

[–] davrod 2 points 1 year ago

Today. When we were kids, my brother and I started riding public transportation on our own at 8 years old. (Yes, in the 80s.)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good luck getting around the suburbs without a car

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

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