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Calvin (from Calvin & Hobbes) sitting at a lemonade stand, smiling, with a sign that reads, "Trains and micromobility are inevitably the future of urban transportation, whether society wants it or not. CHANGE MY MIND."

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Note the picture says "urban", not rural neighborhoods. There's no reason to think we can't have train infrastructure connecting to rural areas though. The point would be to make our infrastructure human centered and supplement it with appropriate public transportation based on density. It can be done by rethinking how we zone and getting away from designing everything with cars and space for cars in mind. Not saying we do away with cars because they definitely serve a purpose the way we have things now, but gradually build up the non-car infrastructure so that cars are less needed over time. If we can imagine it in a way that works, we can accomplish it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Netherlands has rural bike infrastructure which could work in the United States as well.

[–] Dr_pepper_spray 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, but am I incorrect that the Netherlands is a fairly temperate place, if not on the cooler side? I don't think you'll convince most people to bike to work in the south, in the country, in 95+ degrees fahrenheit heat.

[–] Fried_out_Kombi 2 points 1 year ago

Ebikes can work wonders for that, in my experience. I've biked to work in 95 and humid weather and wasn't super sweaty by the end (office job). The ebike allows you to pedal less and get more breeze going past you, which makes a MASSIVE difference in how hot and sweaty you get, especially on hills.

I would not have even considered that with a non-electric bike.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Millions of Chinese, Japanese and other se Asians ride bikes in 90F heat w/ 80% humidity. I've done it, its doable.

[–] Dr_pepper_spray 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just because something is "doable" doesn't mean millions of people are going to accept doing it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ooh well in fact millions of people do ride bicycles for transportation every single day.

In Japan, like many other countries, women ride bikes for everyday transportation. They are so ubiquitous they are called "mamacharis" which loosely translates to 'Mom-chariots.'

Every train station, shopping center and school in Japan has hundreds of not thousands of bicycle parking racks, similar to what you would find in the Netherlands.

https://www.tokyobybike.com/2009/06/introducing-mamachari.html

https://guidable.co/living/ride-smart-in-japan/

https://youtu.be/AymDGEfJzCc?si=unIgkRkNBSgvQHxl

https://youtu.be/uiQIpvQtO34?si=s98wNEKXsfZT-Rss

https://youtu.be/uiQIpvQtO34?si=Jf_EiuTvm9Izstk0

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2017/11/18/lifestyle/going-electric-celebrating-japans-powerful-e-bikes/

My wife bought a bike in Japan for $400 and rode everyday, even in the countryside you see riding everyday. It's totally normal. You see it all over in Asia. So people do ride, even when it's hot and humid. Often with 1-2 kids on top of groceries, which weigh upwards of 50+ pounds of weight.

[–] Dr_pepper_spray 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Neat. Good for Asian countries.

It ain't happening in America except maybe in cities like New York.