this post was submitted on 24 Aug 2023
192 points (96.2% liked)

United Kingdom

3931 readers
6 users here now

General community for news/discussion in the UK.

Less serious posts should go in [email protected] or [email protected]
More serious politics should go in [email protected].

Try not to spam the same link to multiple feddit.uk communities.
Pick the most appropriate, and put it there.

Posts should be related to UK-centric news, and should be either a link to a reputable source, or a text post on this community.

Opinion pieces are also allowed, provided they are not misleading/misrepresented/drivel, and have proper sources.

If you think "reputable news source" needs some definition, by all means start a meta thread.

Posts should be manually submitted, not by bot. Link titles should not be editorialised.

Disappointing comments will generally be left to fester in ratio, outright horrible comments will be removed.
Message the mods if you feel something really should be removed, or if a user seems to have a pattern of awful comments.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

The government is suggesting that it might ban some Apple security updates. Under the latest plans, tech companies would need to notify the British government before rolling out a security fix but might be refused permission if it blocks a vulnerability that’s being exploited by security services.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 113 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The uk has a serious surveillance state cultural problem.

And holy fuck is this dumb.

[–] x4740N 53 points 10 months ago (2 children)

That's what Tories in government gets you

[–] Z3k3 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

In this case I don't think it would matter. Labour are pretty authorial in some areas too

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

What about lib dems, green, etc? Those aren't the only 2 parties

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Totally. We've had a few decades now of successive governments that have taken increasingly centralising attitudes towards privacy and civil liberties - essentially going back to the 1980s.

But the one bright spot in there was the 2010-15 Coalition, who abolished Labour's biometric ID scheme (people forget now, but the Brown government had passed legislation that meant that, if they'd won the 2010 election, then we would all have needed to register for these), deleted innocent people's DNA records from the police DNA database, halved the maximum length of time the police could detain people without charging them with any crime (from 28 to 14 days - after Labour has earlier tried to increase it to 90), etc. The Coalition was the one truly liberalising government of my lifetime and that's entirely a consequence of the Lib Dems' role in driving its agenda.

[–] Z3k3 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I agree I vote snp myself.

Just to expand a wee bit

Lib dem who sold out their vote voters for the illusion of power.

The greens don't stand here (the Scottish greens are a separate party from the one in eng/wales) the etc tend not to stand here with the possible exception of ukip and fringe people that are some how more insane

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Independence issues notwithstanding, the SNP seem to have a pretty authoritarian streak of their own, especially under Yousef. Their attitude to free speech is quite lacking.

[–] Z3k3 1 points 10 months ago

You ate absolutely correct in that regard.

They get my vote for a couple reasons.

They are the least bad option outside of what I used to do and vote for an independent.

Some of their policies that have been implemented have directly benefited me and mine. Annoyingly with policies that Labour should be pushing.

They are never going to be in government at the UK level with labour's policy of rather having a tory government than work with them.

They are a means to an end without being as bigoted as the lot that split off with Alex for the most part.

I find yousef very bland but I would say if the other nutter got the job I'd ho back to independents

[–] x4740N 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Labour isn't the only other party in the uk

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

With FPTP, it might as well be.

[–] Z3k3 3 points 10 months ago

No shit it's almost like I said that in another coment probably over an hour ago responding to someone else making the same comment.

But the reality of the situation is qe at best have a 2.5 party system with lib dem ensuring the tories get in when Labour can't quite get an outright majority.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Labour at least have at least one MP not clueless:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-O9ux25lWFI

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Yep. Unfortunately I have no doubt that Labour would also implement something like this too, they didn't have a good track record for civil liberties when they were in power.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's like they watched V for Vendetta and thought "awesome, but let's prevent people like that masked ~~dude~~ chap".

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

In principle it's dumb, but we've also seen big tech companies push updates that are not security related under that guise.

https://www.standard.co.uk/tech/apple-iphone-planned-obsolescence-investigation-practices-france-b1081384.html

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

It doesn't sound like this is regarding non-security related updates though.This seems very strictly towards blocking actual security updates.