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According to two Russian soldiers interviewed by a pro-invasion blogger, if you wear a Russian military uniform on the metro in Moscow people distance themselves and give you dirty looks.

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[–] [email protected] 158 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (36 children)

“You go on the metro, and people stare at you because you wear a uniform. Again, I didn't go voluntarily, I received a summons and came to the military enlistment office.

At this point I had some sympathy.

I didn't run away or hide like you. I acted like a law-abiding citizen. But when I come on holiday, they point fingers at me,” the soldier said.

And then he lost my sympathy.

It's like certain problems we have in the US, just with different players.

When "law abiding" is placed before basic ethics, problems like these arise. It's also, sometimes (maybe not here) a smokescreen people use to justify their unethical behavior.

[–] Deestan 48 points 1 year ago (25 children)

Yeah, draft dodging means maybe losing your freedom and the ability to provide for your children, which is a shit situation to be put in.

But the choice is between poverty and fucking murder. Your choice sucks, but you choose to be a monster. I spare my sympathy for those who choose to be not-murderers.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (20 children)

But at the same time, they are absolutely being fed propaganda and don’t have an accurate view of what is going on in Ukraine.

[–] themajesticdodo 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So Russians are dumb and their phones don't get internet? Nah. Bullshit. Russians are fucking cowards. The whole world knows it. It's been on display for over a year.

The dumb die. So it is and always has been.

[–] Aux 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

According to Wiki only 3.5% of Russians have good English proficiency. I also saw numbers between 5% and 10%. Even if it's 10% of Russian population, 90% can only read and understand Russian. They go to the internet and what do they see? Russian fucking propaganda! Now imagine yourself in their shoes.

[–] jarfil -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

They go to the internet and what do they see? Russian fucking propaganda!

And whose fault it is? You go on the internet speaking English, and what do you see? Russian fucking propaganda! Where is the Russian-speaking Western propaganda machine when you need it?

[–] Aux 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When you understand English at a good level you're able to find multitude of opinions and make up your own mind. If you fail for Kremlin propaganda at this point - it's on you. But if you don't know English, you don't have access to alternative opinions at all. That's a VERY BIG difference.

[–] jarfil 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Duh, that's my point! Why isn't there Western propaganda in Russian?

How is it the Kremlin can pay a bunch of people to write fake news in English and turn Western social media to shit, but the White House can't do the same to write fake news in Russian? So much CIA, MI6, all the EU agencies... what, you telling me they don't have the money, or what?

[–] Aux 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Information in Russia is tightly controlled. All independent media outlets of any kind were forcefully closed in 2022. If you want to create a Western propaganda outlet today, you have to have some people doing stuff in Russia. But once they're there they will go straight to jail.

[–] jarfil 0 points 1 year ago

Well, don't do it in the open. I know the whole world and their uncle let RT run their media freely for like forever, but I can't believe Russia's information infrastructure is so tight that a well organized task force couldn't infiltrate it without being detected.

Like, maybe in 2020 they could have me fooled, but after what they did in the Kyiv assault of 2022, when they fried their own comms, ECMd their own missile defenses, kept selling tank fuel for cigarettes and drinking the cooling liquid... that whole country must be a freaking clown town.

What, do they need to send some clowns to blend in? Then do it, start some pirate news stations, get to the people and let them have an alternate point of view.

Back during the Cold War, the East had Radio Free Europe to listen to. You could get arrested if they caught you, but people still did it. Tech has changed since then, but Radio Free Europe is still working, so they must have some infrastructure still in place. Use that, or whatever modern equivalent.

[–] SCB 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bro half of the fediverse is loaded up with communists and fascists, respectively.

Kind of weird to pretend Russians have a monopoly on being dumb.

[–] okamiueru 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] SCB 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] okamiueru 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From what I can tell, around 99% of the time people use the word communism, they don't really know what it means. You seem to know there is a difference between communism and fascism, so, maybe you do.

But, to suggest half is communist, and the other fascist. Is kinda silly. Silly to such an extent that "proving you wrong" is likely to be a futile and unpleasant endeavour. You do you.

[–] SCB 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

There are literally two massive instances lemmy.world had to defederate from, and one is fascist and one is full of communists and tankies.

I wasn't even counting the communists all over this instance.

[–] okamiueru 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

That's... that wasn't what you said. You said

"Bro half of the fediverse is loaded up with communists and fascists, respectively."

Which is read as "half of the fediverse is loaded up with communists, the other half fascists". Now, I don't know what instances you are talking about, since I'm on lemmy.world, and I have not encountered anything to the effect you are suggesting. Lemmy.world is 129k/391k, the next two largest are lemmy.ml with 46k/391k, then hexbear with fewer. So, yeah... are lemmy.ml communists, or fascists?

If your point was to comment to someone on lemmy.world who said (paraphrasing) "Russians are dumb for getting enough information that it is cowardly to still support the war", saying that well, half of the fediverse is communist and half is fascist. Which, first of all, communism isn't necessarily dumb. Americans think it is, but they don't know what it is, so who gives a shit. But, to what you where saying, and "Tell me I'm wrong". Well, I don't know. You seem to be intelligent enough to figure out which part of the stuff you said is incorrect.

I've bitten the bullet enough to explain this to you, and, I'm not keen on being patient with the deliberate obtuse or those who argue in bad faith.

EDIT: I took a look at hexbear, and that seems very fascist indeed. But, it's still just 10%. I'll admit that's significantly higher than what I thought made sense. The contents exceptionally dumb.

[–] reagansrottencorpse 1 points 1 year ago

How is hexbear fascist? It's a far left instance...

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