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[–] Baphomet_The_Blasphemer 58 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

We spent twenty years fighting their battles for them, $2.3 trillion spent helping build up their infrastructure, supplying them with weapons and training, and trying to help them build a legitimate democratic government. After all our efforts, expenses, and American lives lost, it took the Taliban just ten days to retake the entire country. Freedom can't be given it has to be won, and frankly they weren't willing to fight for theirs... and I say this as a disabled combat veteran who lost dozens of friends to this conflict either in combat or to their own hands once they returned home. What a waste.

[–] CheeseNoodle 38 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

To be fair Russia, the UK and the US also took turns totaly destroying the country for the better part of the last century. We can't give them their freedom back on a plate but we shouldn't forget that we're also the ones that took it away. That money and those lives weren't some kind of gift they were an attempt to undo the collective damage we've done. Well the American/British money and lives, pretty sure Russia didn't give a crap.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The Soviets had their go at nationbuilding. Their puppet state survived eight years after they withdrew as well, which is a fair bit longer than the ten days we managed.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You can go back to Alexander the Great. Mountainous regions have always been notoriously hard to control with other regions like the Caucasus and the Balkans as examples. They tend to be fragmented and loosely connected.

[–] Wakmrow 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow I'm american and this is some american kool aide if I've ever seen it. The Taliban is evil but the framing of the invasion and occupation as some noble humanitarian effort is like newsmax propaganda.

[–] assassin_aragorn 20 points 1 year ago

Some good things did happen. More girls went to schools. You can look up data and see the infant mortality rate plummet.

We didn't go over there for humanitarian reasons, and our true goal wasn't noble -- but there was still good that came of it. Enough good for them to ask us why we've forgotten about them. And I don't blame them -- but I also can't blame us.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

You're right, but it seems like this post is asking for it again. Whatever framing it's given, it didn't work and was a massive waste, of lives and money.

[–] joystick 14 points 1 year ago

I agree, the hard truth is it's on them. The people of Afghanistan collectively lacked the will to fight for their freedom. It's a stark contrast with places like Ukraine.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee 4 points 1 year ago

We built schools and got girls into the schools. The first thing the Taliban did was close all of those schools.

[–] Sektor 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who's We, why We went there in the first place and on what grounds?

[–] SocialMediaRefugee 2 points 1 year ago

We went there because the Taliban didn't want to kick Al Qaeda out and 9-11 had just happened.

[–] _bac -4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

O fuck off. You invaded them and then left. 2.3 trillion went to pay your military and contractors.

[–] SocialMediaRefugee 2 points 1 year ago

"You should've extended the war by a few more decades!"