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Went to a restaurant in LA today and when I got the check I noticed that it was a bit higher than it should be. Then I noticed this 18% service charge. So... We, as customers, need to help pay for their servers instead of the owners paying their servers a living wage. And on top of that they have suggested tip. I called bs on this. I will bet you that the servers do not see a dime of this 18% service charge. [deleted a word so it wasn't a grammatical horror to read]

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[–] Jackolantern 87 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Why don’t the restaurants just pay actual living wage then?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

THIS^

pay them , what You want to ... And increase the price on your menu ... BUT DO NOT STICK 😞 YOUR CUSTOMER WITH A HIDDEN FEE ...
Especially when we(customers) HAVE to pay tip 😉 ... {{ Like 'TF was the person who came up with the hidden fee even thinking... 😞🤔 ? }}

flips table

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Someone needs to ban this account.

[–] FordBeeblebrox 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If I share the little green pieces of paper, I can afford a used Toyota. If I keep them all to myself, I can buy a new Cadillac and drive past my starving workers in style.

Can’t hear them crying over a V8 exhaust right?

[–] LetMeEatCake 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because they're allowed not to do so. The answer is shitty yet simple.

Someone not tipping won't change that either; all that will do is stiff a worker. This needs to be fixed by changing labor laws.

[–] Earthwormjim91 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That’s entirely bullshit. A restaurant can absolutely pay a living wage and not do tips. Plenty of restaurants do it.

The simple fact is that servers don’t want that. They make more in tips.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I hear this repeated so often and it ignores one glaringly obvious fact, servers aren’t the ones making any decisions…literally anywhere. They are the absolute bottom rung of decision-making. It is most definitely the restaurants that are just fine paying as little as possible. Servers do love mandatory gratuity however. Working a party of 10 when only one person tips on their own meal can mess up your whole night.

[–] LetMeEatCake 3 points 1 year ago

... I didn't say they can't do so. I said they're allowed not to. Since it's allowed, that's what they do.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Point to your credit here: it's illegal in this state to pay less than minimum wage whether the employee is tipped or not. ALL workers make at least $15.74/hr here, except for 14 and 15 year olds who can be paid 80% of minimum wage.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That’s a good question, and the easy answer is ‘they should.’ As the commenter above you mentioned, they use it as a tactic to advertise the same (competitive to other local restaurants) price people are used to. A more transparent way of doing business would be raising the price of the menu items to compensate staff fairly. The restaurant owners/management fear that if they do this it would drive away customers who believe the food is overpriced and look to their competitors. It’s easy to say, ‘just pay the staff a fair wage,’ but not quite as easy in practice. Most restaurants are small businesses just barely scraping by. The OP is right to be annoyed, but as always, context and a basic understanding of a situation’s underlying principles make the easy answer difficult to implement.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

Put a banner outside saying "no gratuity necessary, the price you see is the price you pay!" and watch what happens.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I worked in restaurants for years and this is the correct answer. I also die a little inside at how many posts say to pay servers a living wage but then balk at the idea of paying extra for the meal. Where else would the money come from??! As you said, if they raise menu prices, their competition will undercut and do this. It would also affect takeout prices where tips are usually lower. People hate tipping and want a magic solution where waiters make more but also nobody’s charged more.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because then they'd have to raise prices.

Especially nowadays with so many people looking up menu prices online before going somewhere, it's a way to present your prices as lower than they actually are.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

It sounds like a hidden fee to me... Which is like lying to someone .. anyways at least that's what it looks like to me if not Fraud

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because liberal mystification with fancy-sounding concepts made to make you feel dumb so you don’t realize it’s just creative surplus labor value expropriation

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

They would still have to add that living wage cost to the food prices. Hidden or not hidden only makes a difference in how surprised you are, not the cost.