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No surprises here. Just like the lockdown on iPhone screen and part replacements, Macbooks suffer from the same Apple's anti-repair and anti-consumer bullshit. Battery glued, ssd soldered in and can't even swap parts with other official parts. 6000$ laptop and you don't even own it.

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[–] mechoman444 62 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I'm going to put this out there as just an idea, don't buy apple products.

They're shit they've always been shit and they've never been financially worth buying.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just got an M2 MBP. In my personal experience it is very much not "shit".

Expensive and a PITA to fix? Quite possibly.

[–] frostwhitewolf 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

+1 apple products are very much not shit. Otherwise people wouldnt buy and use them as prolifically as they do.

I started using Macbooks because the user experience on windows laptops sucks in comparison.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

What kind of user experience issues are you facing on windows?

[–] legion02 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Let's start with sleep mode not actually sleeping about 50% of the time and turning my backpack into an oven and killing the battery whenever it does?

I wish Mac laptops were crap but they function so much better than windows laptops in so many little ways I find myself having a hard time justifying fighting windows laptops anymore.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Modern standby fucking sucks, luckily my laptop is from before that existed (and it runs linux but that's besides the point)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Amen to this. I have to deal with it on my Zephyrus M16 which has shit battery life to begin with.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

IDK, I've had exactly the same problem with my work MBP. I was late to something and the computer locked up, so as soon as I got some level of control I put it to sleep and it seemed to sleep. An hour later and the fan was going crazy and it was super hot.

It doesn't happen a lot, but macOS isn't immune to stupid issues like that. I've had far more hard crashes with macOS than I have with Linux.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@legion02 @CorruptBuddha, don't blame laptops, blame Windows. The difference between PC/laptops and Mac is compatibility, to use any OS you want, Mac is only compatible with Mac, apart from costing twice as much as a PC/Laptop with equivalent system performance and features.

[–] legion02 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does it matter who's at fault? The end result is the same, a dangerously hot laptop. Even though I'm a huge Linux advocate it's not an option for work reasons.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@legion02; ????, not even using Windows my laptop (a cheap one that cost me €350) heats up above 50º when I play a 3D FPS game or when I render to an Image. If it gets too hot it can depend on too many things, that your Sys Specs are too low, that the ventilation does not work well because it is dirty, that the thermal paste needs to be renewed, there are too many applications that are loaded at boot that take up too much RAM.....
In any case, it is not normal and requires you to check it.

[–] legion02 2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

You're entirely missing the point. It overheats because I put it in a bag when it's supposed to be asleep. But it's not actually sleep because microsoft and the laptop manufacturers designed modern sleep in a way that makes that non-deterministic. So now my laptop is awake inside the bag it normally sleeps in, killing the battery and making the laptop uncomfortably hot.

Watch the ltt video (yeah bad timing referencing ltt) "Microsoft is forcing me to buy macbooks" and you'll understand the problem I'm describing.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

wildly gestures at everything

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Agreed. I work in computer simulations and their great. CPU is crazy fast, stays cool and silent. Battery life is solid.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are a lifestyle brand and play on that to keep people trapped. People who buy Apple like the aesthetic of appearing wealthy. It's classism through consumerism, even if the consumers don't realise it.

Apple's terrible privacy policy (yes, despite the word privacy appearing in the ads), atrocious right to repair stance, and aggressive software lock-in tactics should put any person who cares about those things off.

There was a purpose to buying Apple when they were the only player in the specific niche. Audio engineering is a great example of this. In the 90's, Apple were really the only valid choice in a highly specialist field. Microsoft caught up in the 2000s, with Linux not too far behind in the 2010's.

So nowadays, the limitations are effectively self-imposed. You can spend whatever money you want on a setup that will do whatever you need and the OS is a personal preference.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't like Apple very much but it would be stupid to not admit that their new M1 and M2 SOCs aren't great. Their battery efficiency far surpasses any from Intel or AMD and the performance is great.

I think MacOS looks stupid though, I mean, it looks like fucking Gnome.

I assume most people that buy Macs and iphones do it for their software and hardware, not because they want to appear wealthy. Like you said OS is a personal preference and some prefer MacOS and iOS.

...lock-in tactics should put any person who cares about those things off.

Unfortunately most people don't care.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
…lock-in tactics should put any person who cares about those things off.

Unfortunately most people don’t care.

And once you are locked-in, the barrier to get yourself out of it is often so high that it dissuades most people from even trying to get out. I moved from macOS to Linux last year, and even though I was only using a small portion of the Apple ecosystem (iCloud was the only thing I believe), it still took a lot of time as they are designed to make it difficult/time consuming to migrate. Not to mention the macOS/iOS only applications you might've ended up using, as cross-platform functionality was not top-of-mind when choosing. In my case, the notes app Bear was such an example.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (21 children)

The EU needs to fuck their shit up.

Mandate that laptops must have user replaceable storage and RAM (and tablets to have user replaceable storage). My old Dell laptop has windows in the bottom to get to both of those.

The loss of 3.5mm headphone jacks is nothing compared to the loss of that. They're common failure points and easy upgrade paths.

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[–] InternetCitizen2 5 points 1 year ago

As much as I do like the looks and compelling as the M1/M2 chips might be, I cannot help but agree.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

you don't have a choice if you need Xcode for iOS/MacOS development

[–] mechoman444 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You, correct, if you need to develop for iOS or something Apple related you'll need the appropriate hardware and software.

Which brings us back to my original point don't buy Apple products.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

mac mini's are pretty cheap for that purpose. And besides, just because you personally don't use a platform doesn't stop you from making money from people who do.

[–] raginghummus 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Except they're not. They're excellent products and since Apple silicon are actually half decent value in some cases.

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