Men's Liberation
This community is first and foremost a feminist community for men and masc people, but it is also a place to talk about men’s issues with a particular focus on intersectionality.
Rules
Everybody is welcome, but this is primarily a space for men and masc people
Non-masculine perspectives are incredibly important in making sure that the lived experiences of others are present in discussions on masculinity, but please remember that this is a space to discuss issues pertaining to men and masc individuals. Be kind, open-minded, and take care that you aren't talking over men expressing their own lived experiences.
Be productive
Be proactive in forming a productive discussion. Constructive criticism of our community is fine, but if you mainly criticize feminism or other people's efforts to solve gender issues, your post/comment will be removed.
Keep the following guidelines in mind when posting:
- Build upon the OP
- Discuss concepts rather than semantics
- No low effort comments
- No personal attacks
Assume good faith
Do not call other submitters' personal experiences into question.
No bigotry
Slurs, hate speech, and negative stereotyping towards marginalized groups will not be tolerated.
No brigading
Do not participate if you have been linked to this discussion from elsewhere. Similarly, links to elsewhere on the threadiverse must promote constructive discussion of men’s issues.
Recommended Reading
- The Will To Change: Men, Masculinity, And Love by bell hooks
- Politics of Masculinities: Men in Movements by Michael Messner
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It must be tough being as fragile as you are.
ooooh, you're so brave
I am, and you wish you could have the balls that I do to speak the truth.
lmfao, get over yourself. You're not fucking brave, you're a fucking moron.
White men living in majority white countries frothing at the mouth about racism against them will never not be funny lmao
Two things can be true -- corporations owned by rich old white guys are a huge factor in climate derailment. But also white men, toxic masculinity, and the resulting "petro-masculinity" are also bad.
I have no idea where the AIDS whataboutism comes from or what point you were trying to make there.
Well if I could edit my comment I'd change AIDS to COVID or something, it was supposed to be a placeholder example of a hypothetical racist headline. It's not a statement from me.
Generalizing any race as having a negative quality is racist and it's wrong, and nobody should be doing it. Just because I'm white doesn't mean I have to stay quiet when somebody publishes something racist about the billions of people like me.
It's quite convenient how that point of view basically immunizes white people from criticism. We can actually talk about the problems with whiteness, and with men, and with masculinity; doing so is not racist (or sexist) and does not denigrate the billions of white people (or men) on the planet. It allows us to improve ourselves.
So do you think that races should be open to criticism as a whole? You want to start listing your problems with Chinese people, Mexicans, Cubans, Sudanese, or others?
If not, then that's completely hypocritical. IMO nobody should be criticizing a race as a whole, because that's fucking stupid. There's nothing you can say about any race as a whole that would be valid except to state their common genetic characteristics. Every race has an entire spectrum of individuals who act, speak, and believe differently than others within their race.
Those are nationalities, not races.
But, certainly we can say, "Children in the United States have a problem with being killed by gun violence." Would you then show up and archly condemn us for daring to criticize all children in the United States for dying?
Separately, why, when discussing the problems with being white, do fragile people pivot to whataboutism?
Except, as the article states in rather convincing language, we can say that white men are the super spreaders of climate denialism. Or, at least, discuss the article and its points without crying that the article is attacking us personally.
If you feel targeted or criticized by the article, you should reflect on why that is, rather than blame the article. We can talk about the problems with white people (and with men!) without indicting individual white people (or men). If you are unable to do that, that's a "you" problem, not a problem with this article or this community.
How about "NO" motherfucker. I don't put up with any racism.
I have spoken.
Again, it's not racist in exactly the same way as talking about men's problems is not sexist.
In any case you're clearly a bad fit for this community. Better luck elsewhere.
It's perfectly fine to acknowledge that in 2023, just like it's perfectly fine to acknowledge that mpox was spreading faster in gay male communities.
What is NOT ok is ignoring a disease and refusing to fund research into diagnosis and treatment because you don't care that a marginalized group of people are dying.
Acknowledging facts and oppressing people are two completely different things.