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Let's hear the defense, Tankies. Tell us why this is a good thing.
No tankie worth their salt would say it's a good thing, lol. Being anti-NATO doesn't immediately mean someone is pro-Putin.
There are lots of pro-Putin Tankies. Lots and lots.
Funnily enough that's what the right-wing nuts and left-wing nuts in Germany have in common. We're living in the strangest timeline.
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(I'm implying that you, as many others, equate "tankies" with "communists")
That's why I restricted to only those worth their salt. Russian-right-wing larpers aren't welcome in any communist group.
Putin isn't a communist. So no.
Afaik it's consensus for communists to be both anti-NATO and anti-Putin, as is my case. But since lots of people now just use "tankie" as a derogatory term for "communist" instead of "Putin supporter and Russian supremacist", I felt like making the distinction was a good call.
No, I definitely did not mean communist. I am a socialist, but I am sympathetic to communist ideas.
Then I'm glad to be your acquaintance, comrade. We might have different ideas on how things could be better and how to fight for them, but we definitely know what the real issues are.
Likewise!
I think the others missed that memo
Are you implying killing Nazi soldiers during ww2 was bad?
Killing Nazis isn't bad, allying with them before being betrayed was. Killing Nazis in self-defense isn't genocide, Holodomor was.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact ?
Yep.
So by those rules you imply the whole west is genocidal and Nazist?
Every western power is genocidal and imperialist, and most crises currently ongoing are way worse than that tired example you gave. Do you just care if the suffering population is white?
Also, about allying with Nazis: after WW2, who brought home Nazi high officials and gave them positions of power in their own countries again? USA and UK, if you don't remember.
When someone brings Holodomor they're not even trying to understand what they're even blaming, so out of tiredness, I don't bring up the fact that the ones who ruined the farms and crops were the rich private landowners who didn't want their properties to be turned over to the state. Holodomor is a capitalist genocide in what was a communist country.
Think for a second: why would a country building an army, needing healthy adults, purposely cause a famine?
Meanwhile every western genocide is about racism, slave-labour and exploitation of the land. Every single one.
Also, nice fallacies you're throwing out there, like that ad hominem at the end, truly marvellous.
That logic about Stalin destroying the farms himself doesn't even work. The country needed the farms and crops as much as any other country building an army. Are you gonna say next that he ordered the eating of babies and kicking of dogs?
I'm not Stalinist btw, but history has facts, and landowners who were having their farms taken and wanted to make the communist party's life harder are a fact. Bourgeoisie will be bourgeoisie no matter which country.
Starving families =/= massive landowners. The ones hit by the famine were the families working for the landowners, most of them owned no land at all. If you want to blame someone, blame rich folks being pissy about not being able to exploit families on their farms anymore
Likewise. I'd like to see how your "version of the facts" goes on the eastern countries. Have a good day.
I know about how you, all the way from the west, consuming only western media and participating in western politics, knows more about the east than eastern folks themselves. All the eastern countries and the global south know about what western people believe.
And tankies aren't worth salt as it is.
I'm not a tankie, but I don't think that the idea of justifying political repression in Russia is likely to be much of a challenge. The Bolsheviks justified single-party rule and their own political repressions for a long time. If you're a tankie, you're presumably already willing to accept that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguardism