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[–] _wintermute 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You just described being a leftist. Why are libertarians so afraid of being put on the progressive left? You are not a libertarian lmao

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For the sake of clarity in this conversation, would you mind defining "leftist"? It is rather ambiguous.

[–] afraid_of_zombies -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was pretty clear in what I believe LMAO

[–] kameecoding 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

yes, and it's not libertarianism.

a political philosophy that advocates only minimal state intervention in the free market and the private lives of citizens.

food stamps, anti-discrimination laws and anti-pollution laws are all a big fucking no-no for libertarians.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

food stamps

Food stamps are not mutually exclusive with libertarianism on the whole. Libertarianism, very generally, can be described as encompassing the idea of maximising equal individual liberty, while ensuring that one cannot impart costs on another without their consent, or proper compensation for damages. Food stamps are more of a socialist view which puts it in the category of, what is commonly referred to as, "left-libertarianism".

anti-discrimination laws

Correct, this would be incompatible with libertarianism -- one has the right to choose with whom they associate, and what they say.

anti-pollution laws

This is incorrect. One cannot impart costs on another without their consent, or proper compensation for damages.

[–] kameecoding 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is incorrect. One cannot impart costs on another without their consent, or proper compensation for damages.

who is gonna enforce that? lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

This is generally referred to as "Tort Law", and it is normally handled by the civil courts.

[–] kameecoding 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

courts? you mean a body of a government?

can't have that, also once the court has done it's thing, who's gonna enforce what the court said? because police is dirty socialism and part of the government.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Libertarianism is not opposed to the justice system -- in fact, it actually requires it -- I point you to the model referred to as a Nightwatchman State. I would also remind you that Libertarianism is not equivelant to Anarchism.

[–] afraid_of_zombies -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ok it helps when you read what I wrote not what you want me to have written.

For the individual I want as much freedom as we can give them. Everything above that I want regulated and I want welfare programs.

[–] kameecoding 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

For the individual I want as much freedom as we can give them. Everything above that I want regulated and I want welfare programs.

Okay, so you are a leftist, like me. In fact, you might just be a socialist, or even a communist.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

Those are very broad categories to haphazardly throw around.

[–] afraid_of_zombies 0 points 1 year ago

My economic beliefs are: if it works do it, if it doesn't do not. I don't trust ideology and I don't trust economists. Food Stamps work in that people don't generally starve anymore, the free market works for video games in that people generally can buymore than they would ever hope to play.

Only do things that work.