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But are e2e from big corp REALY e2e? Like whatsapp? How many cases there were "Whatsapp Chats from the attacker showed that they were backed by terrorists" or so. Github.... was github EVER encrypted? or Gitlab? They dont want big corporation rather "small" open source like the matrix chats or other sorts of real encrypted chats.
End To End Encryption (E2EE) is a very precise term meaning that something gets encrypted on your device and doesn't (usually can't) get decrypted by anything other than the destination. I don't know what they call it, but if Whatsapp calls it E2E then it's a misnomer. They encrypt to and from their central server, which is not E2EE.
WhatsApp claims it is true e2ee. Do you have evidence of it not?
That what i said
Yes, WhatsApp is fully E2EE, there is no back door, Meta can't see or be forced to hand over your messages. I've never seen those headlines personally, but they probably got just got access to their phones.
I don't know about GitHub, is there any reason to believe it isn't encrypted?
Whatsapp had been ever back doored. In germany there are so many news "Whatsapp chats show terrorist was a bad guy", "Facebook gave police chats of a suspect"....
If you really think even if it is really E2EE, does a data greedy company not have that encryption key? Are you really that Mainstream Apple fan?
Is there any reason to belive it IS encrypted?
Lol wait, so you're making the claim that an app that's widely known to be encrypted isn't encrypted because you made assumptions based on news headlines and you want me to prove it is encrypted? Well that hardly seems fair...
But sure, I'll do it anyways.
https://www.justsecurity.org/79549/we-now-know-what-information-the-fbi-can-obtain-from-encrypted-messaging-apps/
FBI themselves admitted they can't get messaging data from WhatsApp. At best they can get iCloud or Drive backups, but even those use full encryption now.
https://faq.whatsapp.com/444002211197967
In fact, WhatsApp straight up tells local law enforcement that no, you can't request messaging data.
But sure, yeah, let's go with your German headlines that I'm pretty sure you've misinterpreted.
Whatsapp is NOT widely known to be encrypted of a privacy killing company. I really doubt that still. I have heard of Signal that they give no f*cks about law enforcements. But never Whatsapp. And we cant trust if they are just backdooring it for them and only in the dark giving them to the fbi. Do you really think that meta "encrypts" anything REALLY.
I work in this industry, yes, it is. Just because you don't know something doesn't make it not true.
No actually, they still have to respond to requests for metadata. They actually do very much give a fuck about the laws of the countries they operate in.
They aren't, I literally just sent you proof of that.
Yes, because they do.
Man you're off your fucking rocker dude.
Wow just another troll who doesnt understand when to stop. Who is a corporate fanboy who trust in big corporation not to f.. around and sell any data they have. As Meta or rather Facebook is very trustworthy not to sell your data ;). And again from someone from lemmy.ca
Riight, I'm the troll, because I'm responding with links and sources proving your bullshit wrong. Ok bud.