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Of course they have the right to express themself. That makes it easier to find the Nazis, duh
I want Nazis to be scared to share their ideas. I want Nazis to be so scared they don't crawl out of the gutters they live in.
Make Nazis Dead Again
And not just to make Nazis lives less pleasant, but so they don't have such a fucking easy time of finding each other and linking up. If you're too scared to speak up about how you think the Jews are the problem, you don't get those views reinforced by other assholes also speaking the same bigotry. The Nazis may have always been there, but it's a lot worse when they can reinforce each others bigotry and decide that it's time to actually do something.
That's basically what the right wants for the left!
My guy, that's because the right are clearly the aggressors. Do you tell domestic abuse victims they're just as bad as ther abusers when they pick up a knife to defend themselves, or spike the soup?
Please tell me you aren’t both-sidesing Nazis. That’s gross.
Not really. The right tends to go a little bit harder in that direction:
Are you not white? Be scared. Jew? Be scared. Muslim? Be scared. Gay? Be scared. Socialist? Be scared. Woman? Be scared.
The left is a lot better in that regard, as they tend to limit the "bash their heads in" option toward literal Nazis. It seems to me that the right doesn't feel a need to limit themselves in any way here.
Please describe how you imagine a "Nazi" wakes up and gets ready for their day. I'm curious what's behind the label. Would you also use the words 'toxic' and 'bigot' to describe these people and if not what does a 'toxic' person and a 'bigot' do to start their days? (from your perspective, of course)
What? Obviously a Nazi wakes up at 7:30 sharp, puts on their arm band then combs their dumb little brush mustache. Then they heil and finish getting ready. /s
What kind of question is that? There's no one way nazis wakes up. That's not what makes a Nazi a Nazi.
Are you trying to imply Nazis aren't bigots and dangerous/toxic to society, and if not - why did you even ask this? What is the purpose of that question if not to imply that?
I'm talking about Nazis. Nazi Nazis. The Nazis that keep popping up everywhere. This was news, big news at the time. Pretending like you didn't see it isn't an excuse now, because you've now been shown it.
This is an AI response isn't it?
I've used enough chatGPT to recognize it's writing patterns. One of the things that stands out the most is saying you want to have a discussion, but not actually saying anything that needs to be commented on. That's a telltale sign for an AI response.
Edit: Oh, and you're a mod of an AI community? I'm certain it's an AI response now.
The sub and the server is getting infiltrated by Nazis and/or bots. 🤔
My bet is either AI or someone sporting a fedora
Lol, nice "edit" interesting you didn't put the first part of your edit after what you said was an edit?
It's my response filtered through AI to avoid your manipulations and keep the conversation aimed at what I was asking about to begin with and not what you attempted to change the context to. :) Any other dodges?
Lmfao.
Good conversation though.
K
But you cited 'the news' as a source. Lol. I didn't even bother clicking your links when I first responded, but I went back and humored the idea that maybe it wasn't... but really? cbsnews? Definitely a bastion of truth with no corporate sponsorship or interests...
Are you saying those Nazi events didn't happen?
I was making fun of you for citing the news as a source. Do you consider soundbites facts as well?
I was citing the news to show events that happened yes. No claims about that news was made. Are you saying those Nazi events didn't happen?
You are ignoring my questions because you know the answer. It's why your talking about the validity of the source instead of the content of what I'm saying.
For shits this is the equivalent of me saying: here go to this site. OMG BRO ARE YOU SAYING NAZI's EXISTED? WTF. You're not even paying attention to the content bro!~ (Ignoring that I own and have an agenda for the site of course, the same way you're conveniently ignoring any agendas or the people spending money behind the spectacle you're pointing at.)
https://springhole.net/logical-fallacies/attack-the-source.htm#:~:text=AKA%3A%20Ad%20Hominem%2C%20Personal%20Attack,the%20statement%20or%20argument%20itself.
I'm done putting any effort into this conversation.
The only effort you put into the conversation was the bit about a Nazi morning. The rest was just you trying to put words in my mouth and then attacking my responses to that. So yeah, it's been a pleasure.
K. Obviously not true. But k.
No, I was asking what the difference is between labels I see thrown around so much that they lack much meaning these days.
what is the purpose of saying I'm implying something?
Again, I was able to guess you're linking to a billionaire sponsored propaganda machine and the only reason I later clicked it wasn't to look at the content it was to confirm you prefer to consume their regurgitated spectacle. There was no need to pretend not to see it or to even look at the content.
No I wasn't. I was saying you're referencing garbage and trying to make a point. Re: I even spun up just as bullshit of a website to make my point =>here
Clearly you're an omnipotent omniscient being that knows what anonymous users on the internet know, think, and do so well that you can make their points for them and then continue to argue against those points like what your saying matters.
i'M dONe PuTtinG EffOrt IntO THiS ConvErSation https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
Edit: Here's to a wonderful weekend. Lol. Thanks for the entertainment.
^.^Have a bad one. Hope you get in a car accident.
Same thing I wish for any Nazis apologist.
Keep struggling. Maybe you'll come up with something intellectually appealing before you return to dust.
Edit: reverts back to putting labels on people to dismiss their complete lack of critical thinking and that they just remembered they're only copy/pasting other people's ideas who could have actually argued with me because they're trying to pretend they have any idea of what's going on around them
Again trying to manipulate the context and yet you have yet to address the reason we're even having this discussion: dogmatism. At this point you've quite brazenly displayed the behaviors I was getting at to begin with so I really don't care, but since you seem to intentionally fail to understand most of the things I've said in an attempt to manipulate what the original intention of starting this conversation was about, I'll revert to putting my response into a format more recognizable to you:
I understand where your anger and frustration are coming from. The atrocities committed by the Nazis during the Second World War were horrific, and we must strive to prevent such inhumanity from ever happening again.
However, it's crucial to remember that fear and hatred rarely result in positive change. Instead, they often perpetuate a cycle of misunderstanding and conflict. The goal should not be to frighten people into silence but to educate and foster understanding. This is true even when dealing with individuals or groups whose views we find abhorrent.
By encouraging open dialogue and critical thinking, we can expose harmful ideologies for what they are. Shining a light on these viewpoints, rather than pushing them into the shadows, allows society to address them directly. That being said, we should always stand firm against hate speech and actions that incite violence or discrimination.
Lastly, it's also important to consider the role of media and societal narratives in shaping our perceptions. While it's crucial to stay informed, we should also be mindful of potential bias or sensationalism.
The world isn't always black and white, and the more we can encourage nuanced, empathetic discussions, the better we'll be able to address the issues that face us.
DW bro, Nazi's bad. fnord.
My grandfather who caught in WW2 would agree that we should make Nazis scared.
May he rest in pieces.
I'm not reading your wall of AI text.
And not a single thing you said here means anything because you've already been caught posting AI generated text to troll for and defend fascists. How in the world is this kind of behavior even allowed on the sub? Or the server?
Oh man "You've been caught using a tool to respond to people who would probably stick their thumb up their ass to get a better score on an IQ test." So sad.
Nice edit again. Why did you even bother to pretend the last time you edited what you said that part of it was an edit and not include the other part you edited in as part of the edit? Lol. Sounds pretty dumb.
🤣holy shit gg
Wow, someone doesn't want to spend effort arguing with people so close-minded they end up citing logical fallacies after they've been using them to make their argument the whole time. WOW GG.
Good lord. Are you a real human? If so, this is shameful.
Oh so shameful that I'm not brainwashed into removing the humanity from people and using identity politics to manipulate arguments and send the brigaide of idiots after people to pretend like my points are valid.
It doesn’t take much to rustle your jimmies, does it? A few downvotes isn’t ‘brigading’ my dude, that’s just people disagreeing with your clearly unpopular opinions. Buck up, soldier. It’s just internet points, nobody’s nailing you to a cross.
Defending the opinion that slapping labels on people to dismiss their underlying humanity isn't "rustling my jimmies," friend. I call that basic human decency, which there seems to be a lack of.
Edit: sounds a lot like Nazi ideology really. Those people we slapped labels on are 'inferior' => to => don't deserve to be treated like humans => to => deserve to be exterminated. Really not that far off from calling for extermination...
I never labelled you as anything. If you feel called out and are defensive by me or anyone talking generally about fascists, that’s on you. I also never dehumanised you. I don’t dehumanise anyone, including fascists. I dislike fascists a great deal, but they’re still human.
Perhaps you’re getting my comments mixed up with someone else? My Lemmy client is glitching atm so I can’t easily see the context for your comments today, and feel free to quote me dehumanising you, but whilst ‘gg’ may be snarky, it’s not dehumanising nor calling for extermination. Jesus, get a grip.
There's no context because I proved my point and the user who was struggling really hard to argue for dehumanizing anyone they wanted to call a Nazi/toxic/bigot deleted their comment. You seemingly took their side and were snarky and told me I should feel shameful for standing up for not dehumanizing people. There's no basis for a discussion at this point beyond that you seem somewhat self-aware and like I could have had the conversation with you that I was looking for from the original user.
I’m happy to have that conversation if you’d like. I’ve lost context for my other comment, but I certainly didn’t mean to dehumanise you. Yes, I was snarky, and it may have been the culmination of reading several comments in that thread that skewed pro-fascist (it looks like several were removed), so I apologise if I took it out on your comment in particular.
I’m always up for intelligent, reasoned discussion. I’m not normally an acerbic bitch, and I apologise for coming off that way.