this post was submitted on 25 Jul 2023
36 points (90.9% liked)
Comradeship // Freechat
263 readers
2 users here now
Talk about whatever, respecting the rules established by Lemmygrad. Failing to comply with the rules will grant you a few warnings, insisting on breaking them will grant you a beautiful shiny banwall.
A community for comrades to chat and talk about whatever doesn't fit other communities
founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
Lula's worker's party in Brazil, they've done incredible work helping the most impoverished people of the country, and are the most progressive in South America in my book.
As a Brazilian organized communist,
Just no. Especially his latest moves. In fact last night he just pushed a provisional measure (a law that can take effect now, go to congress later) to legalize cassinos and other gambling establishments. Effective immediately too
He's not done any actual reforms, just means tested welfare programs. In fact he privatized a bunch of stuff in his first tenure. He also signed the drug laws that shot incarceration rates sky high (in fact a comrade was arrested for possesing weed and not released for over a year despite not being sentenced).
His job is making things seem "not all that bad" and keeping the forces of reaction well fed.
I'm not mad at you for not knowing, but as a Brazilian Communist I am extremely angry at the fact they misled you
Edit: I can go on and on and if y'all actually want me to. Don't "support" this enemy of our class in front of me again.
And yes, he's better than the "electorally viable" alternatives, but we have second rounds for election so we vote communist!
is he at least actually an anti imperialist? that's been my impression anyways
Not anti-imperialist given domestix policy (aforementioned privatizations, etc). Just not an imperialist running dog like Boric
No, the majority of brazillian left thinks imperialism isn't real, just wild conspiracy theories. buuuuut, our diplomacy has always been independent, meaning we held talks with everyone, including libia, drpk, iraq, cuba and so on. then the 2016 coup came and we became usa lapdog, then in 2023 our diplomacy is back.
lately my impression was that after lula's visit to china, he came back with his eyes focused on the global south, so the brics is back, we are talking with everyone again, he even jump the gun to respond when someone talk shit about venezuela, denouncing dollar hegemony on g20 and g7, ignoring zelensky, refusing to send weapons to ukraine and talking about peace, talking about historical debt that central capitalists countries have with former colonies, their responsibility with environment issues and etc.
as the comrade said earlier, internally he is severely lacking, making deals with the worst and most reactionary people there is, putting the same elbow grease to revert privatizations, making very very shy reforms that changes basically nothing, treating supporters as mere voters instead of actual political subjects immobilizing the working class.
so yeah, a figure with a lot of contradictions, don't misread me i voted for him, in front of reactionaries and common neoliberals i will defend him with tooth and nail, in front of comrade i gladly debate his limitations and mistakes
Let this comment be your excuse to go on and on about this
Yeah, they are mostly just yet another successful socdem anti-imperialist-ish party. They usually don't do much overwhelmingly great, but at least prevent it all going to shit with liberal electoralism and put some effort into building local industry and infrastructure. They have also put a lot of interest into international multipolar goals such as cooperation with Cuba and China so even if I disagree a lot with the "most progressive" label, they are definitely one of the most impactful groups just due to the sheer size of the party and country. Almost makes you believe that social-democracy is effective.
even more than the PSUV? Also, what's the beef between the PSUV and the PCV about?
Something Something, Socdem PSUV gives an inch to the U.S, and the PCV is mad at that... https://www.blackagendareport.com/fight-between-psuv-and-pcv-unnecessary-untimely-and-alien
The PSUV does unfortunately take influence from Trotsky, but its explained they take more influence from Venezuelan culture and history, and they limit their use of violence if they deem it unecessary.
I've also spent an hour reading PCV's accusations and their history, and I'm extremely skeptical of them. They seem to be annoying contrarian naive tools for U.S. imperialism.
PSUV is not a force for socialism, and as such they seek to destroy those who actually fight for it. In fact the PSUV is actively trying to dismantle the PCV https://pcb.org.br/portal2/30320
I'm extremely skeptical of the PCV's accusations. After doing like an hour's worth of reading, they seem to likely be a lapdog and trojan horse for CIA regime change, while they accuse the PSUV of being traitors despite the PSUV having little options.
i think i read an article on UZ about the DKP siding with the PCV
Do you have a link?
https://www.unsere-zeit.de/solidaritaet-mit-der-arbeiterbewegung-dem-volk-von-venezuela-und-der-venezolanischen-kommunistischen-partei-4774584/
I am skeptical of the PSUV's version of events as well as the CPV's, but the CPV doesn't present any concrete solutions to Venezuela's problems. Despite their rhetoric and that they claim the government is unfairly targeting them, they play right into the hands of the imperialists that wanted to sanction, slander, balkanize and invade Venezuela. They call an end to sanctions yet are ambivalent about a potential overthrow of Maduro and his cabinet, but they provide no concrete plan for addressing Venezuela's precarious economic sabotage or fighting against the cartels and CIA agents or multinational billion-dollar corporations that all have a stranglehold on the Bolivarian republic, beyond just concepts and ideas, that will occur if the PSUV is dismantled.
The PSUV literally wants to either outright prohibit or coopt the PCV. Can't believe people here are defending the PSUV. https://youtu.be/BMpyyxo6gMA