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[–] joelthelion 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

We need both. The elite's footprint is gross and disgusting, but we peasants are far more numerous, so reducing the elite's footprint alone won't do the trick.

[–] McJonalds -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

the thing is, i will refuse to behave until the bigger misbehavers are held accountable

[–] joelthelion 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This kind of reasoning is why we are not making progress. It's much easier to hold others to high standards when you've applied these to yourself first. The same goes for countries: it will be easier to pressure China/India when the West has done their part.

[–] McJonalds 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

how do you expect people to apply those standards to themselves before they are applied to the biggest sinners? most people don't even buy how bad it is

[–] ButtholeAnnihilator 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The West can only "do its part" because we've shipped all our worst industries to China and India.

[–] joelthelion 3 points 1 year ago

Doing our part includes reducing our consumption. Where things are produced doesn't matter all that much for this part of the problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Global industrial practices and corporations are the biggest offenders, by far.

You know who uses all the shit they make?