this post was submitted on 22 Jul 2023
58 points (91.4% liked)

Reddit

13435 readers
4 users here now

founded 5 years ago
MODERATORS
 

I can't believe how pro-reddit sentiment is. It's like a totally different reality.

https://www.reddit.com/r/boulder/comments/156wih1/disappointed_by_reddit_but_dont_know_where_else/

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 year ago (7 children)

A lot of users use the official app and are on new Reddit, and the only "disruption" that they noticed was the protests themselves. They have no idea the damage Reddit has done to moderators and may not even notice the resulting decline in content quality as the smaller subset of people who post and moderate the most wander away to newer pastures.

But over time, they will notice. More and more subreddits will become the domain of uninterested powermods and repost bots. It takes time for a giant to fall, Digg didn't turn into Reddit overnight.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is the biggest thing. A lot of my friends simply think Kbin and Lemmy are inferior and look outdated, which they are if you have only used the social media site called reddit, not the link aggravater called reddit

[–] LazaroFilm 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Experiencing Lemmy through a native app like Memmy or even a WPA like Voyager (former WefWef) is so much nicer than the default interface.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Holy crap I need my instance to support this asap

[–] AbstractLinguist 1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

I know I’m outnumbered here, but I always hated the old Reddit interface. Is it better on desktop or something? I’m only really ever on mobile.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

It's a desktop interface and it works best on desktop but I will say, I hated the mobile app so much that before I had found RIF i used old reddit in on my phone. I still use it whenever I need to search something on Reddit on my phone, with the auto redirect extension

[–] spacedancer 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Absolutely superior on desktop, especially when combined with RES. It has also been what older users who started out with old.reddit have been used to. New.reddit is like forcing a social media site format like twitter or instagram on a forum type of website like reddit. Imagine a vertical twitter-like feed on a desktop browser. Inefficient and lots of wasted space.

On the other hand, lemmy web apps like Alexandrite provide a modern look while at the same time maintain the efficiency of a forum-style site.

[–] Another_Reddit_Refugee 7 points 1 year ago

The old Reddit site straight up shows more relevant info. The space on the page where it shows people’s comments (or text in case of self/ask type posts) is substantially bigger, compared to the “new” Reddit page which is clearly designed to optimize ad impressions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I mean yeah, its specifically a desktop interface

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

In my opinion, Desktop. I use an app on my phone.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I drastically prefer old.reddit for desktop. For mobile, I used Baconreader personally. I wasn't a fan of either on the mobile website.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It was more useful than new Reddit, and really only worked on desktop. New Reddit was slower and less customizable for specific subreddits. On desktop it also was impossibly unintuitive and hard to use for users who relied on accessibility tools.

[–] cheerjoy -1 points 1 year ago

No, even the desktop version of the old interface looks and feels horrible. Its only upside is that it fits a lot of content on the screen.

[–] Another_Reddit_Refugee 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Digg didn't turn into Reddit overnight.

That’s not how I remember the last days of Digg. The redesign happened and it was more like a tabloid news site than a the familiar user-submitted voted content in a list format we’d all grown to love. It was a virtually overnight change, unlike Reddit.

Reddit on the other hand, the changes are all mostly under the hood. The “default” subs are full of users who use new Reddit experience in the web / the default app. The number of users that use old Reddit / third party apps are exceedingly tiny but very vocal.

Based on that, my hypothesis is that not much will change with Reddit for a long time. It won’t be a swift downfall like the last few days of digg were. Most, if not all of my friend circle still use Reddit and simply don’t care about what they’re doing to their mod base. Personally I can’t in good conscience continue using a website that treats its most prolific users and moderators so poorly.

[–] elbarto777 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I remember this vividly. Opening digg and thinking "by god - what have they done?!" And to reddit I went.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

That may be where you went, but you've also bailed on Reddit as soon as they went bad too so you're a biased sample.

If you look at the graphs of the actual traffic visiting each of the sites, it took years for Reddit's activity to surpass Digg's and match its old level of popularity after Digg v4 rolled out. Here's an old article I just dug up with one such graph, I remember seeing a more detailed one recently but can't find the link right now.

We here on Lemmy/kbin are not "typical" users, we're early-adopters and the sorts of users who are most aware of and most sensitive to the sort of problems that Digg and now Reddit are inflicting on their userbase. The rest will follow, slowly, as the degradation grows and reaches their thresholds of awareness.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your graphs are actually consistent with Digg traffic dropping off a cliff immediately after the redesign. My memory is hazy but according to this a week after the release they replaced the CEO and two months later they layed off 37% of staff.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That graph shows a two-year-long "cliff." Even by the end of it Reddit still hadn't reached the level Digg had been at yet. They may have immediately launched into layoffs and whatnot but the inertia of the userbase carried on much longer than that.

Reddit hasn't gone a month since cutting off the API. This is super early times by comparison.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Your graph only three data points. Lets say hypothetically the traffic was 100m requests/yr and dropped off immediately after the redesigned you'd still expect to see something like

  • 2009 - 100m
  • 2010 - 60m
  • 2011 - 0

This page has some graphs with more data points but the tl;dr is traffic was down by more than 50% within a month.

Admittedly reddit's growth was much more muted but Digg did really just destroy the site.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Indeed, that's much more of a "cliff." Sorry, I should have spent more time trying to find that more-detailed graph I saw earlier. But as you say, it took a long time for Reddit to grow. And Digg's remaining activity was surprisingly stable for a "dead" website - half the users seem to have stuck around indefinitely.

[–] elbarto777 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't get your first paragraph. I didn't claim Digg went poof overnight. Just that I was shocked at how the redesign was so different from the day before.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You said "Your graphs are actually consistent with Digg traffic dropping off a cliff immediately after the redesign." My graph actually shows a two-year-long decline, which I don't consider to be much of a cliff.

[–] elbarto777 1 points 1 year ago

I didn't say that. Some other commenter did.

[–] ChootchMcGooch 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The quality of posts and responses since the "exodus" is completely apparent to any longtime reddit users. Admittedly elitist as it is, the spelling and grammar by it self has been base level evidence of that. Not to mention the myriad of other ways its taken a nosedive.

Reddit has already been in decline for a long time, but from the few times I've checked since the protests it's much worse now, and quickly getting even worse. And as you said, most of the people left there do not care which is disappointing.

Unfortunately as optimistic as I was about lemmy, so far I'm not sold. Theres all of the same issues here if not more. We may have witnessed the birth and death of something really cool within a very short time (considering). Even if true options take a decade to build up I think it's too late. The experiment has concluded.

It makes me sad because reddit used to be a really cool place. Rules were about allowing truly contributive content to be disseminated. Up votes were for ideas that added to the conversation in a meaningful way. Downvotes were reserved not for points that were disagreed upon, but thoughts that did not add substance to the conversation. It was a much better community to be a part of back then. That environment just doesn't exist anymore on a broad level.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I'm staying here. At least I'm never going back to reddit so it's this or nothing. I've watched the decline in real time so I know what the bullsbit over there is

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And ads. Lots and lots of ads.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And fake posts. They're getting even worse, and the users more gullible.

I read a BORU post the other day about a girl whose gamer boyfriend was trying to get her to have sex with him while his mic was still on. In the update she said she found his old 4chan account from years ago where he had saved a post about getting a partner to "perform" on the mic for the guy's friends. 4chan doesn't have accounts, she was called out on this, then edited her post to say she didn't really know how 4chan works (no duh) but it was in fact some link aggregation site of 4chan exclusively where you can save posts. Instead of calling out her lack of credibility, most users in the BORU thread were doubling down on believing her.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I used the official app, but I didn't have to wait to experience a disruption to know that this was the last straw. I switched to Lemmy just prior to the protest and never looked back. Regardless of the actual dispute, I'm not going to use a site run by someone who so obviously thinks as little of their users as spez does. Even I have more self-respect than that!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

But over time, they will notice.

r/all has deteriorated over the past several weeks, so even in the short term it's becoming somewhat noticeable.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I even went to a Digg gathering once. I got a poster of the dig guys. I forgot their names now. Dirty blonde chubby guy and black hair guy with faint mustache, last name Roses or Rosales?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kevin Rose, the guy who threw a raccoon down his stairs? Also founded Digg, though that's never what I remember him for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ah. Yes that guy. The show was fun. Fun times 😄. It's all old news now.