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The US has the biggest military in the world followed by China. None of those are Europe.
Remember how WW2 wasn't just Germany? How they got the help from Japan of all places because of their mutual hatred for China?
The US now hates NATO as much as Russia and is looking to leave / destroy it from within.
It doesn't really matter if Russia is running out of troops and /equipment if their allies have more than the rest of the world combined several times over.
Russia just has to make it through Ukraine, and the rest of the bad guys in the world will unite to take Europe apart for their own gain.
It's what happened in WW2 to keep Germany going, and it will absolutely happen again.
You're basically acting like France in WW2. And they laughably got bulldozed simply because like you, they weren't convinced there was a greater threat despite Poland already getting attacked. Now Ukraine is getting attacked, and you don't seem to care why or what it motivating their assault. There is a much bigger game being played than you are refusing to understand, and your attitude of running from the bigger obvious threat to talk about trivial smaller ones that have literally no possible positive outcome is naive at best.
History repeats itself, and so do the idiots who think peace is the norm like you.
Answering your question is meaningless because you are taking sides over a drop of blood that's holding back an ocean of it.
But to answer it regardless:
No, forcing people back into a war zone is a bad thing.
No shit.
They left Ukraine in the first place because they were either unwilling or unable to fight that war, and moving them back into a war zone they escaped is beyond cruel. To that point - they are NOT being forced to return by Ukraine or Zelensky. Rather by Russia's ally, the US.
They left because they wouldn't or couldn't help the war, so their forced participation in it by the US likely won't help much.
It would be nice if you cared more about the obvious growing threat to the world, rather than how the only people fighting it are somehow not doing it to your taste.
Unless you like the taste of blood, you better hope they fucking win.
So if they lose "the bad guys" (russia, china and the u.s.) are going to team up and take over Europe? Does Russia get it all or do they split it with the americans? Does China get a slice?
Japan didn't team up with Germany because of China, they did it in opposition to the soviets, Germany didn't care about China, because it's on the opposite side of the world. Just like China doesn't care about Europe and ukraine. Yeah they'll sell russia weapons and tech but they aren't giving it out as aid.
The u.s. is not allied with russia and doesn't hate nato as much as them. One wing of the political class wants more defense spending from allied countries. Trump hasn't shown any intention of leaving nato, much less switching sides and joining russia against them. Even if he wanted to he'd be bumping against a defense establishment that has made nato the core of there strategy for the past half century.
The u.s. is still sending weapons to ukraine as military aid. Even if trump got his way we'd still be sending weapons, it's just the Ukrainians would have to buy them, putting the u.s. in the same position to ukraine as China is to russia. So if China is supporting russia in that case, then the u.s. would still be supporting ukraine.
Peace between the great powers is the norm in the nuclear age. This combined with globalization makes it so going to war between powers more trouble than it's worth.
You seem to view international politics as an axis of evil bad guys and an alliance of good guys keeping them in check. That was really only somewhat the case in ww2. International politics is about a set of powers, each with there own spheres of influence and varied and at times conflicting interests trying to pursue those interests.
The u.s. has no interest in helping russia conquer europe, neither does China. Both have a major interest in keeping russia weak and keeping the European economy functional as they are a large trading partner.
So you think sending people back into a warzone they tried to escape because they didnt want to go to war is a bad thing, so then the policy of not allowing men to leave is also bad, or that even desertion is valid. If you think this comparison is invalid or that the people who escaped early have more of a right to leave then the people trying to escape now please explain. Otherwise by your own definition what ukraine is doing is cruel, it can be cruelty in support of a grand cause, but it's still cruel.
We are no longer in the nuclear age.
We are in the information age, post social media.
The reasons we don't nuke each other into oblivion are no longer memories people hold. Most of them are now gone, and their memories with them.
Peace and how it's maintained are just words on paper now. And these words now compete against billions of others on social media.
China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, etc all have entire buildings full of bad actors firehosing disinformation into every space built by a democratic nation to keep peace.
This disinformation has already, in less than 10 years, unquestionably destabilized the US. Who have not stopped embarrassing themselves on the world stage since. Trumps Covid policies killed millions of Americans, and disinformation got him reelected.
The massive loss of American life didn't stop disinformation from convincing Americans that Trump wasn't responsible for his own Covid response. Instead, they voted for him again, and now he's placed a TV personality in charge of our military who is actively talking about leaving NATO and invading Greenland and Canada because he's an idiot. But he's in charge of our military, so that idiot is going to get whatever he wants.
And the people that voted for Trump honestly believe this is a good idea because of disinformation.
It's just a matter of time before nukes are likewise a good idea because of disinformation.
Death and suffering no longer matter in the face of this level of disinformation. Just like it didn't matter to Americans that millions of them died because they elected a reality TV personality into office. Despite this being an obvious fact, the majority of the US will now literally fight you for thinking it.
The security you think you have is an illusion from an age we no longer live in.
Russia and friends are spending billions of resources into firing the disinformation hose at everything democratic.
What do you think they're hoping to gain from it?
The US has already fallen victim to it. Their military, which used to be the backbone of the UN and NATO can no longer be depended on. Europe's military defenses will be crippled by nearly 70% if the US leaves NATO.
And thats what the US is actively talking about, encouraged by Russia. With the EU responding as if it's a real threat by discussing a new government body that replaces NATO without the US.
The EU is acting like this is already the case.
You are being naive if you think all this disinformation is just for fun. It's targeted. It's in EVERY democratic election from the US to Canada, to France, to Germany, and it's gaining traction.
The peace you described as normal has been decreasing exponentially across the world for the past decade for this VERY reason, and you want to think these countries are just doing it for fun?