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[–] fartsparkles 20 points 1 day ago (23 children)

Sorry, did you just blame the people who didn’t vote for Trump for being responsible for Trump being president? Interesting mental gymnastics there…

[–] TropicalDingdong 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (9 children)

There are no mental gymnastics, and unless you've been absent in the debate since it began in 2023, it's been one conversation regarding the direction of the Democratic party, with effectively two camps.

The first camp, effectively taking the party line and acting as cheerleaders of the DNC, have taken a "No critisism of the Democratic Party is acceptable; voters need to move to the positions of the DNC" approach.

The second camp took a "The DNC needs to be better and acknowledge it's shortcomings, and make changes when necessary. The DNC needs to align itself with DNC voters and the party base."

The first camp, for the first 8 months of 2024, insisted we had to run Joe Biden. That there were no other possibilities, options, or potential outcomes. They defended the approach the DNC took to the primary process, which was by any measure, the least democratic primary they party had ever held.

The second camp raged at the preposterous farce which was the DNC primary. They pointed out that Bidens poll numbers were so bad he basically had no chance of winning. That by insisting on this losing strategy we were losing critical time.

Bans were made, here, regarding this debate. And the first camp was wrong. There was another way possible.

After the candidates were swapped the first camp further insured that people just needed to move to where the DNC was, after taking effectively a pro genocide, Republican lite campaign philosophy as an outcome of the convention.

The second camp pointed out that this would lose the DNC the election, that we needed our focus to be on moving the candidate to a more popular, more electable position.

The first camp won the argument and lost us all the war, because their fundamental belief in what is being argued and whom they are arguing with is wrong. The first camp is responsible for the millions of votes difference between Kamala and Biden, because they insisted on this losing strategy.

[–] DogWater -3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If false dichotomy was a person you'd be it

[–] TropicalDingdong 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

if you want to keep losing elections, keep at it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe democrats want to lose. Why else would they not invite 3rd parties to participate of equal footing. Why would they say no to multiple chances at beating the republicans? Why would they say no to increased voter participation and the free votes that come along side that.

Where is the urgency during the election? Where is the urgency now? Do they not believe what they've been saying about the republicans this whole time?

[–] DogWater 1 points 2 hours ago

3rd parties cannibalize votes from which ever majority party it aligns closest with. That's the problem with our system. Your comment makes no sense I'm the context of current voting rules.

Ranked choice voting would help immensely and then your tongue in cheek rhetorical questions would make sense, but until then the answer is obvious. The Dems don't want that because it takes votes from them.

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