I mean, fuck antisemitism in any form, obviously...

...but I'm going to say "allow fascists to eliminate freedom of protest" has a spotty track record improving that particular issue.

This guy is in power in no small part due to whatever definition for not-fascist Americans you want to use not showing up because they feel compromise is beneath them. Maybe it's time to learn that lesson.

Well, no, the time to learn that lesson was November. I guess it's finding out time. For people too rightfully indignant about the genocide in Gaza to look past their own noses and to people in your situation alike, I'm afraid.

Friendly reminder that Trump refused to condemn a group of white supremacists chanting "Jews will not replace us".

He is not on your side. And, if history is any indication, allowing government to control speech and expression by fascist means is much more dangerous to Jews than any group of student protesters could ever be.

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I'm sure it must be a stressful time for Jewish people. All hate crime is horrible. Many people, Jewish and non-Jewish, oppose the actions of Israel.

I do hope the protests, to stop US arms being sent to Israel, grow in strength. And I do what I can personally to help.

When looking at the numbers its no exaggeration to say that the Palestinian people are being slaughtered by the Israel military.

• On October 7, 2023 Israel was attacked killing 1200 Israelis. Israel's response to the attack has been completely disproportionate and has now (as of June 2024) killed over 7,797 children. In the same time the conflict killed 53 children in Israel.
• The most conservative estimate is that 7,797 Palestinian children have been killed, in the same time it is estimated that the total Israeli casualties; including military and civilian, including men, women, and children is 1200.
• on April 24, 2024 with many thousands of Palestinian children already dead, the US gave 14 billion in aid to Israel
• Neither US political party is stopping this.

Here are my sources, I am always interested to have other sources.

• I tried to pick from a range of sources and tried to include any statistic that made my argument weakest. Most of the numbers come from June to August of 2024.
• How many Palestinians have been killed? May 2024 Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said 30,000 https://time.com/6979208/israel-gaza-death-toll/ The Gaza Ministry of Health said that 36,379 people had been killed by the end of May 2024, https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-gaza-deaths-women-children-360c6aabc03421c718d4a8452cec2c67 The associated press reported 40,005 in August 2024. https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-war-palestinians-statistics-40000-7ebec13101f6d08fe10cedbf5e172dde
• How many of the Palestinian deaths were combatants? hamas officials say 6000 to 8000 https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israels-six-week-drive-hit-hamas-rafah-scale-back-war-2024-02-19/, https://time.com/6979208/israel-gaza-death-toll/ Netanyahu says 14,000 combatants https://time.com/6979208/israel-gaza-death-toll/
• How many of the Palestinian deaths were civilians? Many articles state that most of the Palestinian death records don't include combatant/non-combatant designations. The most common statistic given in this context is deaths of women and children. of those killed 58 to 48% were women and children https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-794306 of 24,686 identified casualties: 7,797 children (32%), 4,959 women (20%), 1,924 elderly (8%) https://www.unocha.org/publications/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/reported-impact-snapshot-gaza-strip-3-july-2024-1500 Netanyahu said "probably around 16,000 civilians have been killed" https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/may/24/the-un-adjusted-its-gaza-fatality-reporting-heres/
• How many Israelis have been killed? 1,200 in israel plus 320 israeli combatants in Gaza https://www.unocha.org/publications/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/reported-impact-snapshot-gaza-strip-3-july-2024-1500 1,200 in the oct 7 2023 attack https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-revises-death-toll-from-oct-7-hamas-assault-dropping-it-from-1400-to-1200/
• How many of the Israeli deaths were combatants? 318 of the 1,200 killed in the oct 7 2023 attack were combatants: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-revises-death-toll-from-oct-7-hamas-assault-dropping-it-from-1400-to-1200/
• How many of the Israeli deaths were civilians? of the 1,162 identified fatalities, at least 33 were children https://www.unocha.org/publications/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/reported-impact-snapshot-gaza-strip-3-july-2024-1500 53 children killed in israel https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-gaza-war-palestinians-statistics-40000-7ebec13101f6d08fe10cedbf5e172dde

This position is interesting. It's echoed in articles like:

https://jewishjournal.com/culture/first_person/300258/when-the-chicken-votes-for-colonel-sanders/

Sometimes couched as anti-Israel, we find supporters of discrimination in their spheres of influence, including Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) and Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), spouting prejudices with hubris while their party’s leadership, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, remain mostly silent.

German Jews recognize they safely exist only through police protection, who park outside German synagogues to prevent anti-Semitic violence. In Poland, the home of Auschwitz, anti-Semitism has become so accepted it blatantly is part of the platform of the National Democratic Party, known as “Endeks.”

And they assert this bit of history as evidence:

From 1921 to 1935, there was a group named the Association of German National Jews (Verband national Deutsche Juden), whose goal was the total assimilation of Jews into German culture; the self-eradication of Jewish identity; the expulsion of all Eastern European Jews from Germany; and a radical hatred of Zionism. Sadly, these seem like the same goals of many Jews in America choosing to deny the faith and practices of their ancestors in favor of secularizing themselves. On some level — often unconscious — they believe if they deny their Judaism and go along with the anti-Semitic rhetoric, non-Jewish Americans will better accept them. Unfortunately, they are avoiding looking at history.

To me, it sounds like the argument is being framed as "us" Jews and "them" Jews making the mistake of trying to homogenize. That's tremendously ironic, as this type of thinking is exactly what led them to support Nazi Germany. The exact kind of language Trump use, aggressive, bombastic pursuit of "agitators" as undesirables, of ignoring antisemites and bigots Trump associates himself with, of dismissing his speech as a "rhetorical tool," is what German Jewish groups believed would protect them... Until Nazis came for them, too.

Maybe antisemetic violence should be curbed, but you should consider what's actually causing it, and how that "curbing" will be done.