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Sell yes, meaning Ukraine gets something in return...
But Trump goes "ok give us the minerals, bye".
What kind of deal is that, Ukraine gets nothing, that's not even a proper business transaction...
Thats plain saying give me your money or the guy with the gun takes it from you.
In a real deal the least Zelensky/Ukraine expects to get in return is full and lasting protection against Putin walzing in and taking Ukraine anyway.
In his WW3 rant Trump also seems to forget Zelensky/Ukraine is already at war (though putin is the one calling it a 3 day police action), and the only one gambling for WW3 is Trump by whining about demanding minerals for nothing in return.
Ofcourse it's full on clear by now Trump expects Putin to walz in anyway, destroy Ukraine and pay Trump personally a 1% finders fee for the minerals.
The discussion of the security guarantees was to happen behind closed doors after the initial press conference. In fact that's why Zelensky was trying to steer the conversation in that direction to prime the next stage. It's just that he failed so completely in this steering that it should be in textbooks. Simply having an interpreter would be enough to iron out the edges.
He could have walked away with a deal today. Maybe even with NATO invite in 20 years or something like that. Instead because of his political ineptitudes he risks to lose it all.
The deal is not important, nor are the minerals, Zelensky was there for security guarantees and they should not be hidden, what kind of nonsense is that. Why shouldn't anyone hear of security guarantees?
Trump should have shaken Zelensky's hands, in public LOUDLY proclaiming full and lasting protection and NATO membership or NATO boots on the ground. Make explicitly sure everyone knows Trump and the US supports and backs an ally that is invaded by a centuries old enemy.
And THEN do a deal for minerals behind the curtains, THAT is the way to do it.
Why should it be like this? Because you think so? The deal most likely was to be finalized behind closed doors and then announced at the final conference. The fact that the meeting was happening at all means that the deal was mostly agreed upon already using envoys or whoever. This was probably just to dot the i. And... Zelensky couldn't manage to even do that.
Ofcourse all political deals are -finalized- behind closed doors, but the whole world, including Zelensky knew he was expected to be there for protection for his country, not to be attacked by bullies still trying to blame him for a war he did not start...
It is strange how you keep blaming Zelensky for being verbally attacked by Trump, someone who is supposed to be an ally, how is that Zelensky's fault? Trump invited a LEADER of a foreign country, supposedly an ally, and starts disrespecting and berating his honored guest immediately ....
Think about it, Trump visiting Israel and Netanyahu and 2 of his staff begin insulting Trump, strongly suggesting the president of the USA kiss their shoes on camera for whatever reason...
Zelensky and Ukraine are fighting for their right to exist, they are not the cause for the casualties as you keep inferring. Only one person is responsible for the bloodshed and that is Putin. And only two people can almost instantly stop the bloodshed, Putin with an immediate withdrawal, and Trump by 500% supporting Ukraine. Zelensky can not do this, not even if he literally kisses Trump's feet on camera, it serves only to demean him in front of his soldiers back in Ukraine. And it is very good he has a backbone.
One thing you, and Trump seem to ignore, is that if Zelensky now fully surrendered Ukraine to Putin the bloodshed will continue, Putin will kill all Ukrainian soldiers, burn villages that withstood his plans, demolish internal industry and markets, brainwash the children and wipe the history, every product is to be shipped to Russia and Ukraine is left to starve in its ruins....
So the enemy needs to hear it spoken loudly that the US fully protects an ally and backs it, this should not be a matter of secrecy. And the world expects it to be spoken out loud.
The moment a question of protection/security needs to be whispered about something is not right....
And somehow, clearly, there was no sign anymore of Trump offering protection in out in the open.
(Yet he can do it for Israël, with his hellfire threat on Gaza, and Netanyahu did not need to grovel, nor get bullied)
And sure the deal was probably laid out before that, but perhaps we did not see/hear Trump do an "I altered the deal...." as he has done before. Who knows what crumpled up note Zelensky received as he stepped from his ride, perhaps it even said there will not be a 2nd meeting.
But the minerals were the payment and not the important part, and the payment could be done behind closed doors.
... A small example on why the main objective shouldn 't be hidden:
Loudly and publicly proclaiming "I paid $500!" then walking off makes no sense, everyone hearing you say that will ask "for what".