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Implying that a house where the owners don't own guns would have been the right one?
The reason burglars take guns in the US is because there's a good chance they'll run into owners with guns as well. So lots of people owning guns doesn't prevent burglary, it just forces criminals to take guns as well.
Remember kids, Escalation™ is always the best way to reduce gun violence!
Seems weird to argue that it's "escalating" to defend yourself from a home invasion.
Seems weird to argue resolving any interaction with the death of one or more parties isn't escalation
If u do t want to get shot… don’t rob houses?
As mentioned above, the expectation is that the homeowners will have guns.
Should people kindly ask the home invader to please vacate the area after their door gets smashed in? Maybe just hug it out?
I don't know about you but I lock my doors. I don't know what the fuck a stranger is trying to do in my house. They will be met with force if they forced their way in to violate my personal space and safety. Being unarmed or complying won't keep anyone but criminals safe.
That's the argument me and the person I replied under are making. Adding more guns just increases the chance someone gets shot. If we gave everyone in the world a fully automatic ak47 that wouldn't stop people from being desperate or just plain evil. Crimes would still happen and I bet that burglary would have ended with more than one person shot. Probably more than one person dead.
Yeah I don't think we should just lie down and let everything get stolen from us but why do people fight so hard for more violence? I'd much rather be arguing over how to improve police response times. Providing affordable security systems. Making internal doors and walls more secure. Social programs so people don't get to the point they need to rob people to get by.
This article is infuriating because fox news says we should all clap for this lucky family that got to almost got to watch one another bleed out. Guns should be a last resort and when a news source talks about them it should regret the fact that death had to be put on the table.
It's not about thief or stuff. If someone breaks in I don't know why they're there. I have no reason to assume they are only there for stuff or won't hurt people who get in their way. Giving them the benefit of the doubt make no sense when they're already breaking in and violating your home. As an example I wouldn't go out to stop someone from breaking into my car or open the door during some incident. But if the door get kicked in a person shouldn't expect a warm welcome.
I do not care if a criminal gets hurt during the course of crimes that violate people's homes and personal safety. Anyone has a right to stop such people with force. Self-defense isn't a crime and I really don't consider it a problem. The gun was not the first resort. There were presumably doors and locks. Maybe some yelling. The criminal choose to victimize someone and found out that goes poorly on occasion.
If you want to prevent violence prevent people from being in desperate situations and commiting crimes against people. Don't expect people to be accepting of home invasion.