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Protesters angered by the planned burning of a copy of the Quran stormed the Swedish Embassy in Baghdad early Thursday, breaking into the compound and lighting a small fire.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Doesn't Sweden have anti-discrimination/anti-Nazi laws or something like that? Why is a demonstration like that legal?

[–] Martorias 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's just a book. It's legal due to freedom of speach etc. Is it stupid and in bad taste and only done to provoke? Sure, but it's within their rights.

[–] Sjoerd1993 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Same reason it’s legal in most western democracies. Freedom of speech, it’s not against the law to burn a book. Similar demonstrations (Quran burnings) happen just as often in e.g. Denmark and Norway, seriously loon it up, the reason I suspect Sweden suddenly gets a lot of attention for it is mainly political, with them trying to join NATO.

Having said that, there are laws against incitement against ethical groups. The reason this is not treated as such is that its considered religious critique which is always legal.

I’d personally argue that this has very little to do with religious critique. These people haven’t read a single page of the Quran in their lives. This is clearly to provoke an ethnical minority. So I could definitely argue that it shouldn’t really be allowed. Not because you shouldn’t critique Islam or any other religion, but simply because this is nothing but a provocation actively trying to hurt/offend an ethnic group and get a reaction of out of it, but that’s not how the courts interpret the law.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

That's how I see it as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Two reasons:

The law regulating what the police are allowed to forbid is very limited. They can deny permission for a demonstration due to traffic disruption, but not threats of terrorism or international relations. It's currently being debated in the Riksdag (the supreme legislative body).

Secondly, the police are in their rights to deny permission for protests/demonstrations that are clearly illegal for some reason. The legislation regulating incitement against ethnic groups (which Muslims are covered under) is fuzzy however, and this is mostly uncharted territory. Context matters for the letter of that law, in legalese the law forbids certain "verbal statements or messages" with a purpose to incite ethnic groups. But is burning the Quran a "message"? Arguably yes (imo) in this context, but it hasn't been tried.

There was a dismissed case tried in court with a Quran burning, but the context there was different. There have also been some police reports regarding other Quran burnings that were never prosecuted, because the prosecutors only put forth cases to trial that they are convinced that they can win (this is how the system is designed).

What we are waiting for is a case that fulfills, or seems to fulfill, the letter of the incitement law with regards to context, that will be prosecuted and tried in courts all the way up to the supreme court.

The previous Quran burning might fulfill those criteria (burned Quran outside a mosque during Eid). It has been reported to the police and we are waiting to see if the case will be brought to trial.