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I mean, the alternative is you just accept regular grid failures over 1--3 decades while you speedrun towards wind. This sounds great on paper, till you realise UK homes are shifting to electric heating, and those power failures are going to be violent ones doing a lot of damage.
You could mandate lower power use, but that's a recipe for being voted out. Back to fossil fuels you go.
You could tax energy intensive industry, but the UK is trying to revive its manufacturing centers, not kill the survivors off. Likely this will generate enough friction to shift power again.
You're effectively handing the anti-green lobby a golden ticket, which may even mean the issues last more than 3 decades as UK politics flipflops around. In essence, a stopgap is needed due to the sheer state of British energy infrastructure.
No, I reject your premise that only nuclear can prevent grid failures, especially since any reactor will take 2-3 decades to come online. Wind can provide stable power today using storage. Why should we accept regular grid failures for 2-3 decades?
I thought we were fairly behind the curve on storage (ironically, most is stuck in planning or is over budget, or is delayed).
Also, I never said only nuclear could do it. Simply that it's not the worst option.
As much as I'd like to switch everything to renewable today (if only because my bills would drop), it's just not possible with the infrastructure we have.
If this is true (and I haven't come across evidence that it is, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt) it doesn't mean this can't be improved. What is the trajectory, is this "behind the curve" getting worse or better? For nuclear, it's steadily getting worse, so even if it didn't improve it might still be more effective compared to nuclear.
But building nuclear won't help you, since it will take 2-3 decades to build and it's far more expensive than renewables (also more expensive than renewables + storage, which is becoming cheaper at an increasing rate, while nuclear is getting even more expensive). I'm not saying that everything but renewables should be torn down right now, but building more nuclear capabilities simply doesn't make sense.
I think, at this point, we're both stood out on very very long planks. There's more "what if" involved than is healthy.
You've made some good points, I can't comment on trajectory (a lot of that is going to be based on future energy usage patterns which are almost impossible to predict). It may well be that the infrastructure for renewables gets put together faster than I anticipate.
On the other hand, nuclear options might arrive faster than your projected timelines and will play a key role in the journey to 100% renewable. It's tough to say what lessons are being learned and how much of an impact on timeline they'll have.
Either way, thanks for the discussion, it's given me some more thinking points.