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Early car sales data for January is starting to arrive from countries across the pond, and they paint an alarming picture for Tesla. Sales are crashing in France, Germany, and the UK—all affluent countries that are key markets for Tesla's electric vehicles. Coming on the heels of a large financial miss, it's just one more problem for the automaker.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

It's a brand I associate with Nazi supporters.

[–] halcyoncmdr 21 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Keep in mind a lot of people purchased their vehicles back when Tesla actually seemed to be following their states goals, before many FSD debacles, and well before Elon's purchase of Twittera and shift to being a public Nazi.

[–] Jesus_666 5 points 7 hours ago

I know someone who bought one after the first FSD debacles because at the time it was the only available electric car rated to pull his trailer when fully loaded; most electrics wouldn't do more than 750 kg. He doesn't give a shit about FSD but he does have a big trailer.

Probably a bit of a bad look these days, though, given that he's politically active for the local Green Party.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

You can safely omit the last word in your sentence.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

Implying that there could be nazis who don’t really support white supremacist values, but are a part of the movement due to peer pressure or something?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago

There's a lot of gaslighting lately to try and come across as more palatable to the mainstream audience with people saying stuff like it's not a Nazi salute or people are too sensitive these days when it inappropriate comments.

So there's people who gaslight others, and some who are gaslighting themselves into trying to convince themselves there is nothing wrong with the people and ideologies they support. Which isn't rare and often seen when it comes to support of celebrities who've been accused of bad things as an example.

There's also people who know they would not be accepted by Nazis because of their background, but still share a lot of the same discriminatory beliefs leading to some degree of fondness.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I think as we move forward in time the line between ‘Nazi’ and ‘supporter of the Nazi party’ and ‘collaborator with nazis’ becomes blurred. When looking at ww2 and the time when the Nazi party ruled in Germany, we don’t make that kind of distinction in general.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

Yeah definitely in a WW2 Germany there were plenty of people who just decided to go with the flow. I think that most people who nowadays get labeled nazis are mostly hard core racists. The number of passive supporters and collaborators is probably rather small by comparison.