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I want context is he agree with something so bad?

Also, as a non-american why would I care until Proton product is good?

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[–] BananaTrifleViolin 47 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

He praised trump for appointing someone into a role who is a big tech sceptic. However the issue is he then went on to make a broad generalisation about the republicans being the party of fhe people and the democrats being by the party of big business. Someone from proton doubled down on the assertion on social media.

That has caused offence in a era when US politics is extremely polarised and divided. The attitude is "if you're for the other team, you're the enemy". But also people are angry at the company having an apparently right wing political stance.

Personally I think this is overblown. I think its reasonable to be happy if someone anti big tech is appointed, but the broad sweeping comments about the parties was ill judged. However they have backed away from this position and made clear that proton in politically neutral. I see this as bad PR and on the spectrum of someone saying something stupid on twitter and then regretting it, but some people are treating it as an existenial threat for proton and a huge red flag.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

I mostly agree with you but:

they have backed away from this position and made clear that proton in politically neutral.

They never backed away from this position. Andy doubled down over and over, even after being brought up to speed by more knowledgeable people. They kept saying "this is not political" despite that very obviously not being the case. Andy may have learned his lesson about staying in his lane though.

I see this as bad PR and on the spectrum of someone saying something stupid on twitter and then regretting it, but some people are treating it as an existenial threat for proton and a huge red flag.

It's not just "bad PR", these are the people responsible for the privacy and sovereignty of all of their users. How can they protect you or advocate for anything if they don't even understand what's happening?

Some additional context that you left out is that Andy responded from the official Proton account and said "this is our official statement", defending Andy's words, then deleted it and said it was NOT an official statement.

[–] Yesbutnotreally 22 points 23 hours ago

The most sane take on this I’ve heard so far.

[–] atrielienz 3 points 16 hours ago

My problem is that he didn't just double-down. He made statements. Didn't clarify those statements when he continued making statements using the official company reddit account, doubled down using that account, revised his statements when he received backlash, and then when asked specific questions and presented with specific evidence that conflicted with his statement and apparent worldview, he stopped responding.

The company hasn't made sufficient statements about their political stance or lack there of to divorce themselves from his personal statements, which to me means that he intended those statements to be taken as the company's view not just his own.

They may or may not see a dip in users from this. But I for one will not be spending the money I was considering spending to move to their services.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

but some people are treating it as an existenial threat for proton and a huge red

Agree, Proton is not even American Company. I guess.