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You can just say you don't care to read about the intrinsic biases in wikipedia in specific topics and that you'll keep uncritically using it.
Wikipedia ITSELF acknowledges that the vast majority of articles, especially those written in "western" languages, are edited primarily by western men. I'm not making shit up, Wikipedia literally talks about it in a meta-article about bias in wikipedia.
Russia is a capitalist regime on a downwards spiral to fascism, and it's perfectly capable of committing war crimes, it's currently ongoing in increasing oppression of its own women and LGTBQ. That doesn't mean we should take Wikipedia's word during war time for granted. Go through the sources of the article and tell me how many non-western or non-Ukrainian ones are used. I've seen an article from the Russian oppositional media "Meduza" but I unfortunately can't read Russian so I can't really tell what it says. Plenty of other reference from outright US/Ukraine propaganda outlets such as the "conflict observatory", a US "NGO" receiving money from the NED; or such as Ukrainian media, which obviously have a stake in this topic.
Please, give my writeup a chance, and if you have anything to comment on it, feel free to let me know
I do not need to read your writeup to know that this information comes from sources other than Wikipedia. It doesn't matter what it acknowledges about "the vast majority of articles," because any one article, this one included, can be an exception.
How do you not know about Google Translate at this point? Or is that full of "Western bias" too?
What source would you even trust?
My point is that there aren't many sources to trust for now, not from one side and not from the other, because of the ongoing conflict and information war. You can't trust the New York Times in the same way you probably wouldn't trust Russia Today.
If you saw a collectively edited article related to the Ukrainian War, edited primarily by Russian men, using Russian sources (whether state or private), would you trust it? Would you trust a collectively edited article on Taiwan edited primarily by Chinese men using primarily Chinese sources (whether state or private)? If the answer is yes I'll shut up, if the answer is no, then why do you do it with Wikipedia?
That's not an answer- who do you trust on this subject? Or is everyone lying? Because it's either true or it isn't.
I don't trust anyone, surely everyone is lying. Both sides have a very strong interest on propagating opposite points of view. Framing Russia as the saviours of the Russian population in Crimea and Donetsk against Ukronazis is very beneficial to Russia, framing Russia as a war criminal country kidnapping children is very beneficial to NATO.
Remember Nayirah's testimony? Remember the WMDs in Iraq?
I wonder if you would have felt that way about reports of the Holocaust in the 1940s... you can't trust any of that propaganda. Everyone is lying. Maybe there is no genocide in Nazi Germany.
Also, again, if everyone is lying, they both are kidnapping children and they are not kidnapping children. Are these Schrödinger's Children?
The Holocaust wasn't well known and widely acknowledged in the Allies at the time of WW2 for some years, it's a sad consequence of the information war between Nazis and the Allies. Soviet soldiers report being surprised and disgusted when liberating extermination and concentration camps from the Nazis.
I was talking about what you would have believed. But I guess the answer is you would have denied it was happening.
And you have not explained how, if both sides are lying about it, the children can be in a kidnapped/not kidnapped superposition.
I'm not denying anything, I'm asking to be careful with such accusations and with the references used
Yet again, you said that both Russia and Ukraine were lying about the children. You still have not explained how they can be kidnapped and not kidnapped at the same time.
OK dude if you wanna stay in the western echo chamber just talk openly about it
Accusations are not explanations.