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An American tragedy: how Biden paved the way for Trump’s White House return
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I saw a couple heavily down voted articles that said that was the largest issue and around 30% of people who voted Biden 2020 but didn't vote 2024 gave that as their reason.
It's fucking insane so many people immediately started denying that was the biggest issue
The stupidity is with these fools thinking Trump would be better for Palestinians.
If it wasn't obvious with Trump moving the embassy to Jeruselum and telling Bibi to, "Finish the job" while privately meeting with Bibi to likely stall a ceasefire agreement pre-election to make Democrats look back, Trump definitely is fully enabling of said Genocide, likely making it worse (eg, you think he would've pressed for a humanitarian aid route into Gaza? FUCK no.)
So then the logical thing to say in an inevitable binary-choice election is: "if Trump and Biden/Harris are equally bad on Israel/Palestine policy (they're not), is Biden/Harris better on other issues, notably domestically, like oh I don't know women's rights and climate change?" You bet your ass.
Hence why couch sitters and Stein voters piss me off far more than Trump supporters, themselves; for they should know better. Yet they fell for the online astroturfing disinfo wars. Drank the Russian vodka.
Edit: The user below keeps curiously deflecting, so I'll just cut to the chase by going above:
Genocide (a) has a spectrum of severity and is not a boolean function, while (b) Gaza isn’t the only place an attempted Genocide is currently being carried out; Ukraine is another place — and it is abundantly clear that both Biden and Harris were better than the Putin-sympathizing puppet that is Trump. So if you didn't vote, worked against Harris, voted Stein, etc. then YOU, too, are complicit with blood on your hands of WORSENING not one but TWO genocides.
yeah no. If people seriously abstained from a vote because of Israel and Palestine, and that abstention allowed Trump to win, then the democratic voters deserve to never win an election ever again.
I still believe 2016 was the most important election of our lifetimes, but this one is was a close second, World War III is basically in its pre-game show. and this is how people voted. Just kill me now. ffs
Uh... Trump actually did something about Gaza so it seems the Gaza protest non-voters got what they wanted.
Your fallacies are:
Try not to construct your beliefs atop a flimsy house of cards.
Can I have that in English? In case you're saying what I think you're saying, you should read [this>(https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/15/a-stern-message-how-return-of-trump-loomed-over-gaza-ceasefire-negotiations).
I'm still chuckling that people are trusting anonymous Arabian sources and not recognizing this for the obvious political theatrics it is. (Hint: this is the Circular Reasoning fallacy part, where one has yet to prove the original premise before leaping to illogical conclusions).
I mean, really, do you think he's this TOUGH NEGOTIATOR after all these years and not a complete Reality TV star phony playing games of optics with Bibi behind closed doors? Hahahahahaha!
The ceasefire hardly even matters anymore. The vast majority of civilian deaths have already occurred and Gaza is nothing but razed ruins and rubble. Trump told Bibi to "Finish the job" with Gaza, and Bibi basically did just that.
Nah, we can argue that the conservative AIPAC that has lobbied our government for decades and put both parties into a bind of blindly supporting zionism at the risk of otherwise being labeled antisemitic as being part of the root problem.
There's a reason both Bibi and AIPAC wanted Trump reelected, and logically, you've only exacerbated the suffering of Palestinians everywhere.
Genocide (a) has a spectrum of severity and is not a boolean function, while (b) Palestine isn't the only place an attempted Genocide is currently being carried out; Ukraine is another place — and it is abundantly clear that both Biden and Harris were better than the Putin-sympathizing puppet that is Trump. So now YOU are complicit with blood on your hands of WORSENING not one but TWO genocides.
So I'm sorry but your logic still is not holding any amount of water.
Biden cannot unilaterally send aid to Israel without apportioned money being approved by Congress. You may have forgotten this was the stumbling block to getting aid to Ukraine in the first place that stalled for a year thanks to Republican obstructionists?
Yes, AIPAC plays both sides. They still preferred Trump as president. Connect the dots as to why.
I'll just repeat what was obviously, desperately deflected:
Genocide (a) has a spectrum of severity and is not a boolean function, while (b) Gaza isn't the only place an attempted Genocide is currently being carried out; Ukraine is another place — and it is abundantly clear that both Biden and Harris were better than the Putin-sympathizing puppet that is Trump. So now YOU are complicit with blood on your hands of WORSENING not one but TWO genocides. So I'm sorry but your logic still is not holding any amount of water. Read again: If Biden is indirectly complicit in Palestinian Genocide, then so too are you for voluntarily making it worse in both Gaza, AND Ukraine.
America is no longer qualified to have an opinion on international matters on the other side of the ocean. Since their people are so obviously captured by Israel and the Russian Mafia.
I was fine with the rest of what remains of the true free world, continuing the fight without them, but then they started jerking off to the thought of "acquiring" NATO countries.
World War II was for nothing, Fascism took hold in Russia, Fascism took hold in America, It's trying to take hold in Europe peice by peice. Fascism won.
These do not change my points. I promise you that I pay closer attention than you and that is made all the more clear by one's incapacity to uphold a cogent, logical counter-argument without myriad fallacies.
Ladies & gentlemen, bystanders reading — I rest my case. Your ignorance — and apathy — is not an excuse for exacerbating not one but two genocides. Complicity in genocide remains. How ironic that your own claims on Biden are now being put against you, isn't it?
Thank you for proving my point that genocides are not boolean and can indeed worsen. We're learning, I see. Now if only the dots could be connected.
So you're ok with genocide and are just posturing.
LOL look how fast he pivoted to paying lip-service to Putin.
Ukraine genocide? "Naw, Bucha didn't happen. Mariupol Theather bombing didn't happen; STEALING thousands of Ukrainian kids didn't happen." Those genocide charges by the Criminal Court (that so happens to have the same charges levied against Netanyahu) clearly have "no evidence"
hahahahahahahahaha!
Now who sounds like an Israeli apologist.
He's going to be president in two days because of people like you. The blood of Palestinians, Ukrainians, and women and LGBT folks in the US is on your hands.
Big? Sure. Biggest? No. Biggest was "the economy". It's practically a law of nature that inflation ends governments.
No, it beat the economy.
I'll try to find it
Edit:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/new-poll-shows-gaza-conflict-a-key-factor-in-kamala-harris-defeat-after-ceasefire-deal/ar-AA1xjvCn
I wasn't thinking so specifically about Biden voters who stayed home in 24. I see that's what you were talking about initially.
If you simply ask everyone who voted for Trump, the economy was the top issue. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/11/13/what-trump-supporters-believe-and-expect/
That's all I was saying. But there are, I think, three groups which it would be interesting to have this answer for. The first is the one you mentioned. The other two are people who voted for Biden and switched to Trump, and people who chose not to vote in 2020 and voted for Trump in '24. I couldn't find those answers readily.
are you noticing that your comment regarding the yougov poll stating this fact is getting more engagement than any of the other comments and are you also noticing that they're all refuting it?
Nope, but I block alot of people who refuse to address how to gain voters back and just want to screech at them (even tho they'll never see/hear it).
It makes social media a lot better and I highly recommend it.
my neurodivergence has forced me to develop a tolerance to shitty people, so i know i can handle a lot of toxicity; that why i'm still commenting here.
i say this because it's also afforded me the experience of knowing that neurotypicals can only handle so much toxicity before they give-up/check-out/take-a-vacation and i hope you don't fall into the same pattern; there's already too few sane people on .world and your departure would make it much worse than that of of your follow .worlder.