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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (4 children)

What was even the point of coming up with a Borg Queen? That really retcons the core of what the Borg had been established to be: a collective consciousness with no sense of individuality or hierarchy.

[–] FlyingSquid 38 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think it would have worked out (and they could even have justified it since more than one actress played her) if there were multiple 'queens' and they essentially acted like central nodes, maybe even have the job of mediating a lack of consensus when a situation arises with two possible solutions. But unfortunately, that did not happen.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

If you consider the queen dies multiple times (I count four: end of Voyager, First Contact and Picard season 2 AND season 3), there must be more than one, otherwise it makes no sense.

[–] ummthatguy 21 points 2 days ago

That... makes entirely too much sense.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The Borg Queen makes total sense when you realize that a collective consciousness with no sense of individuality or hierarchy is difficult to write, and principal filming for First Contact had to start on schedule or else the studio would lose money. /s

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Except other works, both in sci-fi and fantasy, managed to solve the problem by either having the collective form an agent to act as a spokesperson or just have a random member of the collective speak - with the mandatory scene where someone shoots one of them and another finishes the sentence.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Or jam them all into a single unit like with Legion in Mass Effect. Though the Geth are individuals in their own system, hell the ones who joined sovereign were rogue.

[–] shalafi 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Idea being, they're like and any colony or beehive. But that's not how queens work in either case, and swarm theory shows that they're not cooperating in any way.

[–] someguy3 8 points 1 day ago

The Borg Queen is a movie villain thing. A person is a better visual representation that you can show on screen, that can oppose you, and that you can converse with. All that stuff with Data being tempted and Picard's final faceoff wouldn't have worked nearly as well without a person.